[meteorite-list] Henbury - Wabar History

From: bernd.pauli_at_paulinet.de <bernd.pauli_at_meteoritecentral.com>
Date: Wed Mar 8 17:21:44 2006
Message-ID: <DIIE.0000003000004583_at_paulinet.de>

Original mail:

"Hello I need a short history of the Henbury and Wabar meteorites. Thanks Matteo"

I can see a "hello" to the List and a "thanks", ... my rating: polite and friendly

First response:

"Buy the Catalog of Meteorites or the Handbook of Meteorites."

Neither friendly nor unfriendly but you feel the "cool distance".

Matteo's reaction, part 1, slightly corrected translation - I hope Matteo doesn't mind:

"too much few (= the information is not comprehensive enough) .... (what) I need (is)
a history with information on the craters (that were found) and of the meteorites."

Any offence, any insinuations, any attacks? I can't detect any!

Matteo's reaction, part 2:

"Farmer, if you (had) only seen what (a wonderful) piece of Henbury has
just arrived. Uhauhauha ... I say only its a end piece of 2.14 kg. Matteo"

Well, as Mikes will state in a future mail, it is one his former pieces and Matteo
only wanted to express it is a beautiful piece. No more no less (as I see it!)

Mike Farmer:

"I jut sold an individual of 10 kilos to a list member. So
I am not that envious Matteo. Congrats though. Mike"

Appropriate reaction with regard to the congrats but I don't think Matteo wanted
to arouse anybody's, and above all, not Mike Farmer's envy, especially because
the piece seems to come from Mike Farmer! (provided I get things right!)

Matteo: "mmmmmm its write Mike Farmer collection...... Matteo!

Mike Farmer:

"No Matteo, it was in my collection, I sold it."

That's splitting hairs, Mike. We all know, and it is NOT a shame that Matteo's
English is not perfect (mine isn't either - you don't have to tell me ;-)

Mike Farmer:

" You are the man, the shiznit, da bomb, you are the top collector in the world.
Maybe the Pope will make you a saint?"

Now it is getting aggressive, and it's not Matteo who started it (unless there were
private mails off-list, which I don't know, of course!)

Mike Farmer:

"I congratulated you, and you harass me. What else is new? Mike"

What with? .. again I don't know if he sent you any private mails that are offensive.
If he did he had better stop. If he did not I can't see you being harassed by him.

Darren:

"Well, first the Earth cooled. First the earth cooled. And then the dinosaurs came,
but they got too big and fat, so they all died and they turned into oil. And then the
Arabs came and they bought Mercedes Benzes. And Prince Charles started
wearing all of Lady Di's clothes."

I am pretty sure that no one on the List would appreciate receiving such foolish
mails from me or anyone else. It will only lead to an escalation of the situation.
As there was nothing unfriendly about Matteo's first mail, I don't understand what
such a mail can do!

Matteo (who ignored the preceding mail - good he did so!):

"Farmer, you (only) see the negativity in all messages
...I am already a holy one, look the 21 September....

"I am already a holy one" ... probably something went wrong when this was translated
from Italian into English.

Buckleboo's (inappropriate) response:

"The Bavarian Pope would suggest an exorcism first, before he would do so."

On the one hand, a translation mistake, on the other "exorcism" ???

" ... Matteo the Mouth, ..."

Martin, would you like to be called "Martin, the Mouth" in an open forum???

Martin: "wouldn't answer to the Tessera mail, lucky me that I didn't accept"

Don't be too fast with such "insinuations" - maybe it will take Matteo a bit more
time to respond to such "accusations". If I had trouble expressing myself in
English and if I was exposed to such aggressiveness, I would grow wary.

Martin, why does a man of your intelligence stoop to such a low, mean level?
You don't have to send me private emails (as you did tonight). I won't answer
them. You, and others, attack another list member in public so I don't see any
reason why I should respond behind the curtains.

The person Martin referred to in his private mail is a very respectable, knowledgeable,
and competent member of our meteoritical community and I have no reason to doubt
his words (objective words!) but, he too, is very, very careful about direct accusations.

I don't know if Matteo did find these meteorites or if it is a hoax. If he did find them ... good!
if he didn't ... bad and nothing to be proud of! But if anyone (whoever it is) politely asks for
information on Wabar and Henbury, I would expect those who have something to offer to
do just that. Or should I (from now on) first look at who needs information and then decide
I should or should not share it because I don't like them for something they did at some point
during the past 8 years?

This List is at is best when we cooperate, when we help each other. Objective criticism is
absolutely OK, ... defamations, backstabbing, humiliation, degrading people's ego is NOT!

And, just in case, you folks out there, didn't know, the only meteorite that I
have ever purchased from Matteo, was a smallish 2.3-gram NWA 900. What I want
to tell you is that there is no personal (meteoritical) motif or motivation for
me to write these lines ... !

Bernd
Received on Wed 08 Mar 2006 05:21:42 PM PST