[meteorite-list] Second experiment confirms faster-than-light particles gps accuracy
From: Steve Dunklee <steve.dunklee_at_meteoritecentral.com>
Date: Sun, 20 Nov 2011 09:21:31 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <1321809691.87618.YahooMailClassic_at_web121304.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> This article contains gps info and accuracy . It states it depends on the earths movement and other factors and gives an accuracy of 14 nanoseconds. A 60 nanosecond difference in measurements is way off the accuracy of the gps clocks. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Effects_of_relativity_on_GPS#Relativity cheers Steve Dunklee --- On Sat, 11/19/11, JoshuaTreeMuseum <joshuatreemuseum at embarqmail.com> wrote: > From: JoshuaTreeMuseum <joshuatreemuseum at embarqmail.com> > Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Second experiment confirms faster-than-light particles > To: meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com > Date: Saturday, November 19, 2011, 2:07 AM > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Matson, Robert D." > <ROBERT.D.MATSON at saic.com> > To: "JoshuaTreeMuseum" <joshuatreemuseum at embarqmail.com>; > <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com> > Sent: Friday, November 18, 2011 6:44 PM > Subject: RE: [meteorite-list] Second experiment confirms > faster-than-light particles > > > Hi Phil, > > It was my understanding that the mystery of the CERN > faster-than- > light-speed neutrino result was solved over a month ago: > failure > to account for the relativistic motion of the GPS clocks > used to > time the neutrinos. > > GPS satellites orbit in planes inclined 55 degrees relative > to > the equator, coincidentally somewhat parallel to the > neutrino > flight path bearing on the ground. From the satellite's > perspective, > both the positions of the neutrino source and the neutrino > detector > are changing: in this particular case, from the perspective > of the > GPS clock, the detector is moving towards the neutrino > source, and > consequently the distance travelled by the particles -- as > measured > in the frame of the clock -- is shorter than the distance > measured > on the ground. As a result, the neutrinos should arrive > about 32 > nanoseconds early: an amount that must be doubled because > the same > error occurs at each end of the experiment. So the total > correction > is 64 nanoseconds: almost exactly what the OPERA team > observed. > > If they ran the experiment a second time and got the same > result, > it seems to me that it is only confirming a prediction of > special relativity.? --Rob > > --------------------- > > It seems unbelievable that the relativistic satellite > motion has not been brought to their attention. I mean if > you guys know about it, wouldn't they? I've also read > elsewhere about this effect and how it could be skewing the > results. I find it hard to believe they don't know about > this and would not make the necessary corrections. > > Phil Whitmer > > ______________________________________________ > Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html > Meteorite-list mailing list > Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list > Received on Sun 20 Nov 2011 12:21:31 PM PST |
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