[meteorite-list] Petty, Hypocritical & Cowardly Attack on Me and MHC Magazine (was: Bigfoot and the "Nakhla Dog" - what do they have in common?)

From: Eric Wichman <eric_at_meteoritecentral.com>
Date: Mon, 23 May 2011 09:41:19 -0700
Message-ID: <4DDA8E2F.1070803_at_meteoritesusa.com>

(sorry list for the harshness of this email, but this has been a long
time coming)

Hi Al, Thank you for pointing out I'm a newbie in this arena.
Technically, I'm not a newbie anymore, at least I thought I wasn't since
I've been doing this 24/7/365 for 4 years and have spent more than
15,000 hours researching and studying meteorites and astronomy, have
more than 100,000 visitors to my websites per year and over 1250 online
subscribers to my Meteorite Hunting & Collecting Magazine. But I am
curious though. How long does one have to be in the meteorite world
before they're no longer considered a newcomer (noob) by you. Is there a
standard? 5 years? 10? 20? Seems rather shallow and small of you to
point that out.

You are accusing me of being arrogant? That's funny.

Aren't you being rather arrogant yourself by implying you've been here
longer and know better than me the ways and working of this niche we
call the meteorite world? That is pretty conceited if you ask me. But
what the heck do I know? I'm an inexperienced noob.

As for your obvious and extremely petty dig on me and my magazine, I'm
very tempted to write a long string of profane and quite insulting words
to you, but I think your own careless knee-jerk post does a much better
job of showing your colors than anything I could write.

Truthfully, how many people have or haven't (more have than have not)
received the magazine is none of your concern, and completely irrelevant
to this topic. But since you you felt the need to drag me and my
magazine into a completely unrelated topic just to suit your personal
and petty satisfaction to embarrass me somehow (which it doesn't by the
way) I will say this ONE last time.

Everyone will get every magazine they paid for. I promise that. I've
always promised that and I've been keeping everyone updated on the
progress of the magazine. If you personally are too self centered and
lazy to go to my website and read what I've posted very publicly to
everyone, then that's your problem, not mine. It has nothing to do with
anyone else and goes to your own issue. You know nothing about what's
going on, you're not a subscriber, you never have been, and you've made
it clear you've been against my magazine from the start. You've never
supported me in anything (not that you should), and obviously have
always had some bone of personal contention with me for years Al. If you
deny that you're not being truthful (I have past emails which prove your
contempt for me), if you admit it, you simply prove your personal issue
with me because much of your previous correspondence to me has had this
same arrogant overtone.

For you to bring my magazine into this unrelated topic shows EVERYONE
reading this right now the kind of person you are Al, and that you care
nothing of the magazine really, nor of my subscribers, but only are
using it to embarrass me in some way. Basically a sucker punch when I
wasn't looking or expecting it. Only cowards take sucker punches.

Aren't you also being a hypocrite by complaining about Mike's post being
off topic, then slamming me publicly with something completely
irrelevant to the topic at hand simply to save face and take a cheap
shot to gain some kind of personal satisfaction at my perceived
embarrassment in your eyes, not realizing of course you're only making a
fool out of yourself, and everyone here knows it.

I would advise that you, starting right now, NOT respond to this
publicly with any other false statements. Choose your next response very
carefully, or do not respond at all, because I will use every word
against you.

Whatever Al...

Regards,
Eric

P.S. Since you neglected to change the subject line of the thread, and
deleted the thread posts before this one in a disingenuous way to focus
the attention on me and my magazine, I've been considerate enough to
repost the full thread [below] which you've attacked me in to show that
your cheap and obviously personal and contemptuous attack was completely
and utterly irrelevant to the topic that you were complaining about earlier.



On 5/23/2011 6:05 AM, al mitt wrote:
> Eric,
>
> Since your a new comer to the meteorite business and this list, I'll
> explain this to you one time. First, the list has always been self
> policing. In the old days I believe it was a bit more so. When we had
> people like you did, scold scollars who's input on the list was well
> respected, list members wouldn't mince words with them.
>
> I've noticed that you like to challenge people when ever they don't
> post something to your liking but yet you have the arrogance to
> challenge me for the same. It boils down to two things. First respect
> for the people who might have different views than Mike's and second,
> keeping the posts more on topic as the list rules state. I personally
> like to see people of all walks of life be on this list.
>
> I respect Mike for the most part but any political or religious
> comments don't belong on a list that is _suppose_ to be about
> meteorites. While I agree with a number of things Mike said, posting
> such comments just fuel the fire for others who have different beliefs
> and can start and off topic fight like this one.
>
> If Mike is allowed to post off topic on a senstive area then there is
> no reason that I can't call him on it as I felt it was out of place
> here. While you and Mike are being insenstive about others believes
> (and again this is all off topic) and don' t see harm, I have received
> a number of emails thanking me for my post.
>
> Go back to stiffing people on your magazine sales and telling scollars
> to poliltely shut up. I'd like to start and off topic post to see how
> many people are still waiting on you to send them their printed
> magazine they paid for.
>
> --AL Mitterling
>
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Eric Wichman"
> <eric at meteoritesusa.com>
> To: <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
> Sent: Monday, May 23, 2011 5:07 AM
> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Bigfoot and the "Nakhla Dog" - what do
> they havein common?
>
>
>> LOL Now now boys... Calm down.
>>
>> Al... I'll try to be as nice as possible. Can I see your Met-List
>> Police badge? Who are you to call people out for making an off topic
>> joke? Lighten up man. You're jumping all over Mike for expressing his
>> opinion and making a joke. Since you have the power to call people
>> out, I guess I do too right, as does every other person on this email
>> list. Unless you feel like you're above reproach. What if I call you
>> out for trying to make Mike to feel like crap for making a joke about
>> the Rapture? It was worldwide news, was on everyone's minds, and I
>> thought is was clever of Mike to bring Bigfoot into it. That's ok. It
>> wasn't insulting at all.
>>
>> Mike, Good for you for keeping an open mind. (you need not apologize
>> for your opinions).
>>
>> By the way that Bigfoot Rapture joke was f***ing hilarious!
>>
>> Regards,
>> Eric
>>
>
>
>
> On 5/22/2011 6:43 PM, Galactic Stone & Ironworks wrote:
>> Hi Al,
>>
>> I'm sorry if I offended you or anyone else on the list. I was just
>> trying to make some humor, albeit in a poor manner apparently. For
>> the record, I am not anti-religious. I am a deeply spiritual person,
>> but not in the usual mainstream manner. I have compassion for my
>> fellow man and all living things on this Earth and a deep respect for
>> nature. What I don't like is insane old charlatans making statements
>> designed to create chaos and generate publicity and revenue.
>>
>> Imagine the children in this situation. Mom and Dad suddenly go off
>> the deep end listening to this self-proclaimed messenger of God. They
>> sell off the house, quit their jobs, and drag the kids across the
>> country in a mini-van with the word "Rapture" plastered all over it.
>> At the end of the day, the child is now homeless and his parents have
>> no means to properly care for him. That is child abuse and the old
>> man who announced this "prophecy" should be brought up on criminal
>> charges or hit with a civil suit. One cannot yell "Fire!" in a
>> crowded theatre, and one should not be allowed to maliciously disrupt
>> the lives of countless families to the detriment of the children
>> involved. I don't feel sorry for the gullible sheeple adults who fell
>> for this nonsense, but their kids have no say in it.
>>
>> I have a problem with BS and I have never been afraid to call BS when
>> I see it. The God of Moses will send the messiah like a thief in the
>> night and none shall know the day of his arrival.
>>
>> I have read 3 translations of the Bible (also the Apocrypha) cover to
>> cover, and most of the world's major holy books, including the Koran,
>> the Bardo Thudo, the Bhagavad Gita, Book of the Mormon, the Classics
>> of Confucianism, Egyptian Book of the Dead, the Satanic Bible (a joke
>> and insult to the mind, but I had to read it to understand it), the
>> Tanakh and the Torah, and I could go on. In all, I have digested
>> about 2 dozen of the world's holiest books during my spiritual search.
>> So I am not anti-religious. I am anti-BS and this recent rapture
>> nonsense was exactly that - malicious BS designed to attract publicity
>> and profit. Or, it was the delusional ramblings of a self-aggrandizer
>> who should be medicated and placed in a treatment facility.
>>
>> I was baptized, took communion, attended Eucharist, and meditated in a
>> Buddhist temple. I have also attended two Witches' Sabbats. I think
>> you get my point. I don't mean to offend, and I often stick my foot
>> into my mouth. And when I do offend, I always apologize and mean it.
>> I like you Al, always have. And I don't want you pissed off at me, so
>> I hope you can forgive my attempt at humor that started this.
>>
>> Jesus was one cool dude, full of love, compassion, and wisdom. I wish
>> everyone could be like him - the world would be a better place.
>> Unfortunately, nutjobs like Harold Camping hijack the message of Jesus
>> for profit - and people like that should be firmly rebuked, IMO.
>>
>> I was going to send this to you privately, but since you called me out
>> on the list, I am replying in public. But this will be my last post
>> on the list about this and if you want to continue the discussion in
>> private, we can. And I want to re-iterate, my apology to you is
>> sincere. :)
>>
>> Best regards,
>>
>> MikeG
>>
>> ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>
>> Galactic Stone& Ironworks - Meteorites& Amber (Michael Gilmer)
>>
>> Website - http://www.galactic-stone.com
>> Facebook -
>> http://www.facebook.com/pages/Galactic-Stone-Ironworks/218849894809686
>> News Feed - http://www.galactic-stone.com/rss/126516
>> Twitter - http://twitter.com/galacticstone
>> EOM - http://www.encyclopedia-of-meteorites.com/collection.aspx?id=1564
>> ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>
>>
>> On 5/22/11, al mitt<almitt at kconline.com> wrote:
>>> Mike,
>>>
>>> You posted twice on a subject that doesn't belong on this list. I am
>>> sure
>>> there are people on the list who are biting their tongues right now.
>>> Everyone has a right to believe what they want to and that includes
>>> you but
>>> when you put such posts on a list dedicated to meteorites you are just
>>> asking for someone to defend their believes by your post. I am sure
>>> there
>>> are other people here who have a different belief system than you.
>>>
>>> I didn't post anything to the list the first time, but time to call
>>> you out
>>> on this. Keep your anit-religious believes off this forum and just talk
>>> meteorites and meteorite related topics so we don't get into a can
>>> of worms
>>> here. Thank you.
>>>
>>> --AL Mitterling
>>>
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: "Galactic Stone& Ironworks"<meteoritemike at gmail.com>
>>> To: "Becky and Kirk"<bandk at chorus.net>
>>> Cc:<meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
>>> Sent: Sunday, May 22, 2011 7:49 PM
>>> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Bigfoot and the "Nakhla Dog" - what do
>>> they
>>> havein common?
>>>
>>>
>>>> All of the remaining bigfoots were raptured on saturday - they will
>>>> never be found now.
>>>>
>>>> Also, sales of all bigfoot-related material is hereby suspended until
>>>> further notice. ;)
>>>>
>>>> Best regards,
>>>>
>>>> MikeG
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>>>
>>>> Galactic Stone& Ironworks - Meteorites& Amber (Michael Gilmer)
>>>>
>>>> Website - http://www.galactic-stone.com
>>>> Facebook -
>>>> http://www.facebook.com/pages/Galactic-Stone-Ironworks/218849894809686
>>>> News Feed - http://www.galactic-stone.com/rss/126516
>>>> Twitter - http://twitter.com/galacticstone
>>>> EOM -
>>>> http://www.encyclopedia-of-meteorites.com/collection.aspx?id=1564
>>>> ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On 5/22/11, Becky and Kirk<bandk at chorus.net> wrote:
>>>>> I indeed have heard stories about Semi-drivers who HAVE
>>>>> occasionally hit
>>>>> a
>>>>> Sasquatch in the Pacific Northwest.
>>>>>
>>>>> The one particular tale I heard 2nd-hand was from man who talked to a
>>>>> driver
>>>>> who said he hit& killed one in Colorado many years ago. He said
>>>>> he was
>>>>> detained for a bit by a special group of police, while another group
>>>>> cleaned
>>>>> his truck of all evidence of his "fatal encounter" with Bigfoot.
>>>>>
>>>>> Who knows??
>>>>>
>>>>> Kirk.....:-)
>>>>>
>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>> From: "Kevin Kichinka"<marsrox at gmail.com>
>>>>> To:<meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
>>>>> Sent: Sunday, May 22, 2011 6:33 PM
>>>>> Subject: [meteorite-list] Bigfoot and the "Nakhla Dog" - what do they
>>>>> havein
>>>>> common?
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> Team Meteorite:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> While I am pursuing other projects now and can't take the time to
>>>>>> again pursue/review or explain my peer-reviewed and published
>>>>>> "thesis"
>>>>>> (see David Weir "Meteorite Studies" and Nakhla) that absolves the
>>>>>> Nakhla meteorite of "dogocide", one argument that was made in
>>>>>> support
>>>>>> of this crime against canines was that I "couldn't prove it DIDN'T
>>>>>> HAPPEN."
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Never mind that no one recovered a bloody meteorite or a dead dog
>>>>>> allegedly killed on the wrong day at the wrong place.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Science and logic are brothers in arms. My brief, college-time
>>>>>> exposure to "debate" (as a competition), taught me that if one
>>>>>> argued
>>>>>> this double negative, "by rule" you lost the debate. Something about
>>>>>> being logical...
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Just for fun, I bring this up as I read on Yahoo about the world's
>>>>>> "Top Ten unexplained things". Here's a quote from the article,
>>>>>> please
>>>>>> pay special attention to the last sentence:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "For decades, large, hairy, manlike beasts called Bigfoot have
>>>>>> occasionally been reported by eyewitnesses across America.
>>>>>> Despite the
>>>>>> thousands of Bigfoot that must exist for a breeding population,
>>>>>> not a
>>>>>> single body has been found. Not one has been killed by a hunter,
>>>>>> struck dead by a speeding car, or even died of natural causes. In
>>>>>> the
>>>>>> absence of hard evidence like teeth or bones, support comes down to
>>>>>> eyewitness sightings and ambiguous photos and films. Since it is
>>>>>> logically impossible to prove a universal negative, science will
>>>>>> never
>>>>>> be able to prove that creatures like Bigfoot and the Loch Ness
>>>>>> monster
>>>>>> do not exist, and it is possible that these mysterious beasts
>>>>>> lurk far
>>>>>> from prying eyes."
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Very, very far indeed.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Long live the Nakhla Dog.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Thanks to all who sent me birthday greetings this week!
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Kevin Kichinka
>>>>>> Tambor de Alajuela, Costa Rica
>>>>>> www.theartofcollectingmeteorites.com
>>>>>> www.LaQ-CostaRica.com
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