[meteorite-list] NWA 6292 (BRA) IS paired to NWA 5400 !

From: Galactic Stone & Ironworks <meteoritemike_at_meteoritecentral.com>
Date: Tue, 28 Sep 2010 15:36:16 -0400
Message-ID: <AANLkTimw8Yrf47gYmyZBWsiCCVYn5d_uk_E04MhzFaO6_at_mail.gmail.com>

Greetings Count, Adam, Martin, Shawn and curious onlookers,

As we all know, at this point in the NWA timeline, meteorites are not
exclusively sold to one wholesaler or dealer. These meteorites are
"shopped around the block" to multiple wholesalers/dealers. So, if
NWA 5400 turned up in the Hupe inventory, you can bet your bottom
dollar that the same meteorite will show up in other dealer
inventories under a different NWA number(s). The salient difference
is, as Adam said, the pairing must be backed up by solid science and
not a visual comparison or casual comparison. We have seen no less
than 2 pairing claims so far and I am sure more will be forthcoming as
time goes on. But, unless the pairings have been microprobed and have
had O-isotope analysis done, then they cannot be announced as official
pairings. As the Count said, provenance is everything.

The NWA catalogue system was put into place to help control this
chaotic flood of specimens pouring out of the Sahara. Eventually,
science will sort out the tangled web of NWA numbers and the finds
will begin to group together under solid pairings which represent a
single find or fall. Until that time, we are all participating in
science to some degree by having these specimens classified and
analyzed. We are contributing to the overall puzzle picture by
putting these small pieces into place.

As as Dr. Vann and Martin Altmann said, the majority of us do NOT
collect for financial return. Sure, some of us make a few bucks on
deals, but I imagine very few people make a comfortable full-time
living from dealing meteorites - the money is just too inconsistent
and the marketplace is too fickle. We collect for a variety of
reasons, and for some us, we like to think we are doing something
positive that contributes to the sciences in addition to enriching our
collection cabinets. I know that my collection will be donated to a
worthy institution when I pass from this Earth, so anything that goes
into my cabinet is not being acquired for the purpose of making a buck
in the future. That doesn't mean I haven't sold some specimens I'd
rather keep to pay bills, but resale value never comes to mind when I
acquire something for my personal stash collection. Now, my resale
inventory is an entirely different ballgame, and I do consider the
financial aspect when buying something to resell, but that is just one
aspect of my passion for meteorites and it is not the overriding
factor.

I just thought of something funny I was discussing with another
collector recently. We were discussing how meteorites have little
intrinsic value in financial terms or survival terms. You can't eat
one (unless it's Novo Urei), you can't pay the electric company with
one, and grocery stores will not accept them. So, if the system/grid
collapses, what good is a meteorite collection? I told my friend, all
of that may be true, but I can put a 500g chondrite into a tube sock
and hit someone over the head with it and take their food. LOL So,
if the grid collapses and all collectibles become worthless, then just
remember that meteorites are very heavy and would make fine weapons.

Best regards,

MikeG

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On 9/28/10, countdeiro at earthlink.net <countdeiro at earthlink.net> wrote:
> Ah! Meine guten Freunde, Martin, Shawn und alle auf der Liste.
>
>>Martin said, "And that is one point, which makes meteorite collecting so
>> fascinating, that
>>you can participate to a certain degree in the red-hot space research!"
>
> You have hit the nail on the head, Martin! I, for one, collect for the
> thrill of having a specimen that advanced the knowledge of the cosmos and
> our beginnings.
>
> What would one prize more and pay more to have? A lunar brought back by an
> astronaut from the moon, or the lunar found in the trackless deserts of NWA
> and proven by all science available to be authentic...or a specimen
> recovered from NWA that has a classification based on a PARTIAL analysis? Of
> course!!! The one with the impeccable provenance of being found on the moon!
>
> What would command more of one's treasure. An Ensesheim with provenance, or
> a stone of the same classification from NWA? How about the first meteorite,
> with COMPLETE analysis, that is the first of it's kind found to be tied to
> the earth's early formation? Say NWA 5400?
>
> It is the research, and the science, and the rarity, that first drive the
> desireability....then the other factors of collection enter the picture to
> set the initial price.
>
> Please, ladies and gentlemen, don't denigrate those of us who say we collect
> for investment. We, in reality, support the research and the science of our
> learned academics with our obsession to participate.... by desiring to have
> and to hold what they have discovered.
>
> Best to all,
>
> Count Deiro
> IMCA 3536
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
>>From: Martin Altmann <altmann at meteorite-martin.de>
>>Sent: Sep 28, 2010 9:17 AM
>>To: meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
>>Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] NWA 6292 (BRA) IS paired to NWA 5400 !
>>
>>But, Shawn, Count, all..
>>
>>with NWA you get material, which you couldn't afford, if you'd have to buy
>>it in form of historics,
>>material, where not sufficient quantities for all, collectors&scientists,
>>are available among the historics,
>>you get NEW material and sometimes material not to be found among historics
>>
>>and you get it at an all-time-in-history-rock-bottom-low-price.
>>(See my boringly lengthy posting from yesterday on the IMCA-list)
>>
>>And I don't know, always this volatileness...
>>
>>I mean for most collectors, meteorites are more than only an episode of two
>>or three years,
>>NWA we have for only 10 years now,
>>all in all I don't have the impression that a price decline of NWAs
>>happened, to me it seems rather, that the recent years they're getting -
>>some slowly, some faster - more expensive.
>>
>>And if you think on the somewhat longer run, mid-term,
>>I think, then it won't carry weight, whether today a NWA costs a couple of
>>dollars more or less.
>>
>>
>>Btw. meteorites are much more than curios or collectibles,
>>they are objects of current cutting-edge research.
>>
>>Other than with fine art, antiques, coins, books, baseball cards ect. that
>>field isn't so concludingly closed in that respect.
>>
>>And really..., it is certainly not the business of the research institutes
>>and universities,
>>to serve as certifiers and consultants for the valuation of meteorites as
>>commercial collectibles.
>>They do research and science.
>>
>>And that is one point, which makes meteorite collecting so fascinating,
>> that
>>you can participate to a certain degree in the red-hot space research!
>>
>>Best!
>>Martin
>>
>>
>>-----Urspr?ngliche Nachricht-----
>>Von: meteorite-list-bounces at meteoritecentral.com
>>[mailto:meteorite-list-bounces at meteoritecentral.com] Im Auftrag von Shawn
>>Alan
>>Gesendet: Dienstag, 28. September 2010 17:46
>>An: meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
>>Betreff: [meteorite-list] NWA 6292 (BRA) IS paired to NWA 5400 !
>>
>>
>>Adam wrote:
>>
>>****************************************************************************
>>*******
>>
>>This issue is not unique to NWA meteorites. The same thing could be said
>> for
>>
>>Antarctic or other desert finds. Yes, Antarctica is a desert. The same
>> issue
>>
>>applies to falls. How much Allende is really out there? Nobody knows for
>>sure,
>>the same can be said for Murchison. You can make the same claim for just
>>about
>>any fall.
>>
>>****************************************************************************
>>*******
>>
>>Adam the difference between NWAs and all the other falls is that NWA nobody
>>knows where the strewn fields are. As for the rest, there is data on strewn
>>fields and correct documentation that is used to asses the fall or find.
>>
>>But with a NWA I find that people say that only buy my NWA because its the
>>real deal and the pairs are inferior. The problem with that is with NWAs
>> are
>>collected and through out the months or year the same meteorite gets
>>recycled back to dealers and in a since every NWA stone has to be
>> classified
>>cause of the collection process.
>>
>>Good example is NWA 2999, I think this meteorite has 2 other pairings if
>> not
>>more and think how many pairs it will have in a few years from now? And
>>another good example is NWA 5400 which could have a few pairs, which are
>>very likely.
>>
>>Now when people bank of there NWA as being rare cause of low TKW it seems
>>that it this could be misleading cause of the circumstances that NWAs
>>present to science and they way they are collected.
>>
>>
>>Shawn Alan
>>IMCA 1633
>>eBaystore
>>http://shop.ebay.com/photophlow/m.html?_nkw=&_armrs=1&_from=&_ipg=&_trksid=p
>>4340
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
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