[meteorite-list] WG: AW: [IMCA] Hammers & Orientation from Dave

From: Darryl Pitt <darryl_at_meteoritecentral.com>
Date: Tue, 10 Mar 2009 22:49:46 -0400
Message-ID: <0977FBF2-EFFB-4976-B550-73041FFFF8A8_at_dof3.com>

Hi Walter!

With all respect....

In ANY report---except where there exist the specificity of a coroner
or scholarly assessment---bomb victims are bomb victims.

There is never differentiation between those killed by blast injury,
penetrating wounds, blunt trauma or smoke/fire. In fact the foregoing
types of injury are correctly referred to as primary, secondary,
tertiary and miscellaneous BLAST INJURIES. Primary blast injury is
specifically a rapid increase in air pressure--a shock wave.

If the bull was killed by a shock wave created by an impact---it was
killed by the impact.

And that's no bull....

;-)



On Mar 10, 2009, at 10:11 PM, Walter Branch wrote:

> Hello Darryl,
>
>> is a bombing victim killed by a bomb-produced shock
>> wave not killed by the bomb?
>
> No. They would killed by the shock wave.
>
> If dirt kicked up by a meteorite hits a person, is said meteorite
> then a "hammer?" No.
>
> Like all analogies, it eventually breaks down.
>
> It's not the fall that kills you, it's the sudden stop at the end -
> Douglas Adams.
>
> -Walter Branch
>
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Darryl Pitt" <darryl at dof3.com>
> To: "Impactika" <impactika at aol.com>
> Cc: <IMCA at imcamail.de>; "Martin Altmann" <altmann at meteorite-martin.de>
> Sent: Tuesday, March 10, 2009 6:57 PM
> Subject: Re: WG: AW: [IMCA] Hammers & Orientation from Dave
>
>
>
> (deep breath)
>
> is a bombing victim killed by a bomb-produced shock wave not killed by
> the bomb?
>
>
>
> hi anne! ;-)
>
>
> On Mar 10, 2009, at 6:43 PM, Impactika wrote:
>
>> Hello Dave, and all,
>>
>> I submit another example to you: Carancas, since it has been
>> discussed on the other List.
>>
>> In my personal opinion, only one fragment of the Carancas
>> meteorite would qualify as a hammer: the fragment that hit the
>> house on the picture, but it would have to be properly documented,
>> with proof that this specific fragment, and not another one, or a
>> piece of ejecta, is the actual fragment that damaged this roof.
>> Any other fragment is just that: a fragment of the Carancas
>> meteorite. As for the animals, they might have been hit by a shock
>> wave, not by a fragment of the meteorite.
>>
>> With the same logic, a few of the Park Forest fragments can
>> qualify as hammers, I am talking about the actual fragments that
>> hit cars, roofs, .... and only those. And again, only with proper
>> verifiable documentation. All other pieces of Park Forest are just
>> that: pieces of the Park Forest meteorite.
>>
>> That still leaves Peekskill and Claxton as hammer meteorites,
>> since they are single stones, and witnessed, documented falls.
>>
>> As for me, as a dealer, I will not use the term hammer on my
>> website unless I have absolute proof and documentation that a
>> certain specimen did hit a human, animal, or something man-made
>> (roads, trees, fields.... don't count!).
>>
>> But that is my opinion.
>> Any others?
>>
>> Anne Black
>> IMCA - #2356
>>
>>
>>
>> In a message dated 03/10/09 09:16:39 Mountain Daylight Time, altmann at meteorite-martin.de
>> writes:
>> Von: dave at fallingrocks.com [mailto:dave at fallingrocks.com]
>> Gesendet: Dienstag, 10. M?rz 2009 15:47
>> An: Martin Altmann
>> Betreff: RE: AW: [IMCA] Hammers & Orientation
>>
>> Hi, Martin,
>>
>> Please forward this quick note back to the IMCA list; I'm on a web
>> interface and can't respond to the list from here...thanks:
>>
>> . . . . . . . . . . .
>> The problem, at least in my view, with hammers is the fact that
>> they are most appreciated by the least meteorite-savvy buyers.
>> These newbie collectors are most exposed to paying a ridiculous
>> price because a piece of, say, Thuathe was found in the roof of a
>> hut -- yet the piece they're contemplating purchase around was
>> picked up in a field two miles away. Thuathe might not be the best
>> example, as it's a killer meteorite in its own right. Your
>> example of Gao- Guenie, though by no means reflected in market
>> pricing (yet, anyway), might be better.
>>
>> . . . . . . . . . . .
>> Dave
>>
>> IMCA #5967
>>
>> www.fallingrocks.com
>>
>>
>> Worried about job security? Check out the 5 safest jobs in a
>> recession.
>> _______________________________________________
>> IMCA mailing list
>> IMCA at imcamail.de
>> http://lists.imcamail.de/mailman/listinfo/imca
>
> _______________________________________________
> IMCA mailing list
> IMCA at imcamail.de
> http://lists.imcamail.de/mailman/listinfo/imca
>
> ______________________________________________
> http://www.meteoritecentral.com
> Meteorite-list mailing list
> Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
> http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Received on Tue 10 Mar 2009 10:49:46 PM PDT