[meteorite-list] WG: AW: [IMCA] Hammers & Orientation from Dave

From: Walter Branch <waltbranch_at_meteoritecentral.com>
Date: Tue, 10 Mar 2009 22:11:53 -0400
Message-ID: <31640D22380B43B192B2137DF6436FE9_at_Walter>

Hello Darryl,

>is a bombing victim killed by a bomb-produced shock
> wave not killed by the bomb?

No. They would killed by the shock wave.

If dirt kicked up by a meteorite hits a person, is said meteorite then a
"hammer?" No.

Like all analogies, it eventually breaks down.

It's not the fall that kills you, it's the sudden stop at the end - Douglas
Adams.

-Walter Branch

----- Original Message -----
From: "Darryl Pitt" <darryl at dof3.com>
To: "Impactika" <impactika at aol.com>
Cc: <IMCA at imcamail.de>; "Martin Altmann" <altmann at meteorite-martin.de>
Sent: Tuesday, March 10, 2009 6:57 PM
Subject: Re: WG: AW: [IMCA] Hammers & Orientation from Dave



(deep breath)

is a bombing victim killed by a bomb-produced shock wave not killed by
the bomb?



hi anne! ;-)


On Mar 10, 2009, at 6:43 PM, Impactika wrote:

> Hello Dave, and all,
>
> I submit another example to you: Carancas, since it has been discussed
> on the other List.
>
> In my personal opinion, only one fragment of the Carancas meteorite would
> qualify as a hammer: the fragment that hit the house on the picture, but
> it would have to be properly documented, with proof that this specific
> fragment, and not another one, or a piece of ejecta, is the actual
> fragment that damaged this roof. Any other fragment is just that: a
> fragment of the Carancas meteorite. As for the animals, they might have
> been hit by a shock wave, not by a fragment of the meteorite.
>
> With the same logic, a few of the Park Forest fragments can qualify as
> hammers, I am talking about the actual fragments that hit cars, roofs,
> .... and only those. And again, only with proper verifiable
> documentation. All other pieces of Park Forest are just that: pieces of
> the Park Forest meteorite.
>
> That still leaves Peekskill and Claxton as hammer meteorites, since they
> are single stones, and witnessed, documented falls.
>
> As for me, as a dealer, I will not use the term hammer on my website
> unless I have absolute proof and documentation that a certain specimen
> did hit a human, animal, or something man-made (roads, trees, fields....
> don't count!).
>
> But that is my opinion.
> Any others?
>
> Anne Black
> IMCA - #2356
>
>
>
> In a message dated 03/10/09 09:16:39 Mountain Daylight Time,
> altmann at meteorite-martin.de writes:
> Von: dave at fallingrocks.com [mailto:dave at fallingrocks.com]
> Gesendet: Dienstag, 10. M?rz 2009 15:47
> An: Martin Altmann
> Betreff: RE: AW: [IMCA] Hammers & Orientation
>
> Hi, Martin,
>
> Please forward this quick note back to the IMCA list; I'm on a web
> interface and can't respond to the list from here...thanks:
>
> . . . . . . . . . . .
> The problem, at least in my view, with hammers is the fact that they are
> most appreciated by the least meteorite-savvy buyers. These newbie
> collectors are most exposed to paying a ridiculous price because a piece
> of, say, Thuathe was found in the roof of a hut -- yet the piece they're
> contemplating purchase around was picked up in a field two miles away.
> Thuathe might not be the best example, as it's a killer meteorite in its
> own right. Your example of Gao- Guenie, though by no means reflected in
> market pricing (yet, anyway), might be better.
>
> . . . . . . . . . . .
> Dave
>
> IMCA #5967
>
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>
>
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