[meteorite-list] WG: AW: [IMCA] Hammers & Orientation from Dave

From: Dave Gheesling <dave_at_meteoritecentral.com>
Date: Tue, 10 Mar 2009 22:25:16 -0400
Message-ID: <730DD492C35E4836B65441EA84D9D42D_at_meteorroom>

Walter & All,
This one's interesting, Walter. I was with Darryl re: the shock wave, for
all practical purposes, but what you're saying makes sense. Imagine a high
school football fan, perhaps late for a Friday night game in the
northeastern US back in October 1992, racing to the game. Suddenly they
catch a glimpse of an epic fireball through the windshield. Distracted,
they veer from the road and into a telephone pole -- later assuming room
temperature at a local hospital. Did the meteorite kill them? Well,
no...not directly, anyway. BUT, it should be noted that in these extreme
hypothetical examples the unique scenario itself would be merit enough to
attract attention, albeit macabre, and make for a story which endures the
test of time. Of course, the Peekskill meteor resulted in an undisputed
"hammer" anyway, but hopefully the analogy makes the point that I have to
agree with you on this one, Walter...specifically for the purposes of
defining a "hammer," that is. Good post!
Dave
www.fallingrocks.com

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Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] WG: AW: [IMCA] Hammers & Orientation from Dave

Hello Darryl,

>is a bombing victim killed by a bomb-produced shock wave not killed by
>the bomb?

No. They would killed by the shock wave.

If dirt kicked up by a meteorite hits a person, is said meteorite then a
"hammer?" No.

Like all analogies, it eventually breaks down.

It's not the fall that kills you, it's the sudden stop at the end - Douglas
Adams.

-Walter Branch

----- Original Message -----
From: "Darryl Pitt" <darryl at dof3.com>
To: "Impactika" <impactika at aol.com>
Cc: <IMCA at imcamail.de>; "Martin Altmann" <altmann at meteorite-martin.de>
Sent: Tuesday, March 10, 2009 6:57 PM
Subject: Re: WG: AW: [IMCA] Hammers & Orientation from Dave



(deep breath)

is a bombing victim killed by a bomb-produced shock wave not killed by
the bomb?



hi anne! ;-)


On Mar 10, 2009, at 6:43 PM, Impactika wrote:

> Hello Dave, and all,
>
> I submit another example to you: Carancas, since it has been discussed
> on the other List.
>
> In my personal opinion, only one fragment of the Carancas meteorite would

> qualify as a hammer: the fragment that hit the house on the picture, but
> it would have to be properly documented, with proof that this specific
> fragment, and not another one, or a piece of ejecta, is the actual
> fragment that damaged this roof. Any other fragment is just that: a
> fragment of the Carancas meteorite. As for the animals, they might have
> been hit by a shock wave, not by a fragment of the meteorite.
>
> With the same logic, a few of the Park Forest fragments can qualify as
> hammers, I am talking about the actual fragments that hit cars, roofs,
> .... and only those. And again, only with proper verifiable
> documentation. All other pieces of Park Forest are just that: pieces of
> the Park Forest meteorite.
>
> That still leaves Peekskill and Claxton as hammer meteorites, since they
> are single stones, and witnessed, documented falls.
>
> As for me, as a dealer, I will not use the term hammer on my website
> unless I have absolute proof and documentation that a certain specimen
> did hit a human, animal, or something man-made (roads, trees, fields....
> don't count!).
>
> But that is my opinion.
> Any others?
>
> Anne Black
> IMCA - #2356
>
>
>
> In a message dated 03/10/09 09:16:39 Mountain Daylight Time,
> altmann at meteorite-martin.de writes:
> Von: dave at fallingrocks.com [mailto:dave at fallingrocks.com]
> Gesendet: Dienstag, 10. M?rz 2009 15:47
> An: Martin Altmann
> Betreff: RE: AW: [IMCA] Hammers & Orientation
>
> Hi, Martin,
>
> Please forward this quick note back to the IMCA list; I'm on a web
> interface and can't respond to the list from here...thanks:
>
> . . . . . . . . . . .
> The problem, at least in my view, with hammers is the fact that they are
> most appreciated by the least meteorite-savvy buyers. These newbie
> collectors are most exposed to paying a ridiculous price because a piece
> of, say, Thuathe was found in the roof of a hut -- yet the piece they're
> contemplating purchase around was picked up in a field two miles away.
> Thuathe might not be the best example, as it's a killer meteorite in its
> own right. Your example of Gao- Guenie, though by no means reflected in
> market pricing (yet, anyway), might be better.
>
> . . . . . . . . . . .
> Dave
>
> IMCA #5967
>
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>
>
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