[meteorite-list] ORIENTATION Re: March 4 RSPOD Oriented (sic) 32kg stone

From: Darryl Pitt <darryl_at_meteoritecentral.com>
Date: Tue, 4 Mar 2008 09:10:37 -0500
Message-ID: <D3451545-08A8-4F97-9D09-CBF2FCD732C2_at_dof3.com>

in my experience, the single most problematic term in meteorite
commerce is "orientation." this seems to be in part due to a
reluctance to differentiate objects which exhibit a bit of
orientation from those which exhibit nothing but orientation.

the new generation of collectors are not to be faulted for the
seeming misapplication of the term as a result of what is today its
liberal, ubiquitous use.

might i suggest that the list come up with a grading system of
orientation in much the same way that weathering and shocking are
graded.

three or four grades of orientation to finally---FINALLY--put this
notion to rest.

d.



On Mar 4, 2008, at 8:45 AM, info at niger-meteorite-recon.de wrote:

> Elton, others,
>
> in this case, and regarding the thoroughly curated and
> painstakingly documented collection Dave keeps, I would rather
> trust the owner's judgement instead of your photo interpretation
> skills - however visionary they may be.
>
> Besides there is currently no need to defend Dave as you have not
> provided a single point why the stone pictured should not be
> oriented. You may consider this in your concept of science.
>
> just my two cents
>
> Svend
>
>
>
>
> --- Mr EMan <mstreman53 at yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>
>> Ok would someone that believes this is an accurate
>> caption please
>> defend it.
>>
>> "Sean Northover, a student at Kennesaw Mountain
>> High School,
>> confirming the weight of a fresh, ">>>ORIENTED<<<"
>> 32.6 kg
>> chondrite"???
>> <http://www.rocksfromspace.org/March_4_2008.html>
>> This is too early
>> for April 1st.
>>
>> To let bad and really bad psuedoscience take over
>> all we had to do was
>> continue being silent on dubious claims. Now every
>> other meteorite we
>> see is "oriented". We know this is the truth
>> because any new commer,
>> meteorite owner, is magically, over night, an
>> "expert" at identifying
>> and describing meteorite surface features.
>>
>> If anyone wishes to declare a meteorite "oriented"--
>> anyone may do so
>> without a pittance of proof and no one on this list
>> will ever object.
>> Because we refuse to define "oriented".
>>
>> Ergo, I have a perfect sphere meteorite that fell
>> from my table to the
>> floor and under the imagination that makes EVERY
>> single meteorite
>> "oriented" I can proclaim that my sphere is oriented
>> having traveled
>> through the atmosphere. Given the wide latitude
>> used in claiming
>> orientation no one can disprove that I am not
>> correct.
>>
>> (OH YEAH and it has perfect fusion crust because
>> its drop was extended
>> for several seconds over a candle flame before
>> reaching the floor).
>>
>> I can proclaim it as a fully oriented, fully fusion
>> crusted,
>> sphere-shaped "fall" and under the unfettered
>> latitude we allow amongst
>> meteorite collectors no one can prove my description
>> wrong.
>>
>> So is this a hobby or a study of science?
>>
>> Continually Baffled,
>> Elton
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