[meteorite-list] morrocan and americain influence on pairing

From: Michael Farmer <meteoriteguy_at_meteoritecentral.com>
Date: Thu, 25 Oct 2007 13:58:38 -0700 (PDT)
Message-ID: <522628.90857.qm_at_web33109.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Why do you think that I no longer go to Morocco? I can
not make money there now, the Moroccans sell to me at
one price, then days later, drop the price and sell
direct to collectors. Welcome to the meteorite-dealers
club, now do things right and submit type specimens.
It is hard to give up 20 grams of Lunar or Martian
material isn't it? Why should I have to do it when the
Moroccans do not.
Many labs in the USA will no longer take samples from
Moroccans since they never send 20 grams, they want
classification, but will not cough up the required
material, and so many labs have been burned, they did
the work, then the promised 20 grams never comes.

Michael Farmer

> Hello Habibi,
>
> You asked why I purchased some of the Martian
> material from you in
> Ensisheim. Simple, I wanted some for my collection
> and to offer some to
> others. I will have an NWA number for all of my
> pieces soon and then I will
> offer some.
>
> As far as the Moroccan influence in pairing issues,
> if you waited until you
> received an NWA number for your batch of Martian
> material than a dozen
> people would not have to get a dozen different NWA
> numbers. You have the
> chance to do things right as far as this goes so why
> create such a problem.
> Adam offered his material to a world market but all
> his material has one NWA
> number, not a dozen like in the Moroccan marketing
> plan. There is a big
> difference.
>
> I am not blaming you or trying to start an argument,
> I am simply trying to
> point out to you and other Moroccans what should be
> done since Moroccans are
> going after the collector market. This brings up
> another point, if the
> Moroccans want to keep their long-term largest
> wholesale customers, they
> should not play both sides of the fence by selling
> to dealers and then
> turning right around and selling directly to
> dealer's same customers. You
> will lose big time buyers with this kind of
> behavior. Again, not picking on
> you directly, just pointing out the obvious.
>
> Best regards,
> Greg
>
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>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "habibi abdelaziz" <azizhabibi at yahoo.com>
> To: "meteorite list"
> <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
> Cc: <gmhupe at htn.net>
> Sent: Thursday, October 25, 2007 3:25 PM
> Subject: morrocan and americain influence on pairing
>
>
> > hello list memeber and greg.
> > concerning the problem of pairing,
> > 1=it's not a morrocan problem , it's a world
> problem.
> >
> > 2= see here your brother adam hupe is sellling
> this
> > martian you are talking about without nwa number
> too,
> > he have submited a type sample excelent ,but he
> has
> > not an nwa number so why is he selling without nwa
> > number.no offense greg this is just to show you
> that
> > also americain dealer can do the same.
> > 3= you bought from me 10.88 gr from this martian
> in
> > enseshiem, if you thing it's not good
> behaviourismes
> > why you did bought from me than.at the time you
> didn't
> > think to the moral.you did think offer and
> demande.
> > 4= see here an email posted in this list from your
> > brother selling this martian without nwa number.
> > on the 13/08/2007.
> > i know he get an nwa number later , but at the
> time he
> > didn't have it, so why he didn't wait.
> > so he did behave like i did .
> > 5= with all my respect to the collector and
> dealers .
> > the problem is depending on how fast you can get
> an
> > nwa number,and how fast you can sell.
> > there was many nwa dealers and world dealer
> selling in
> > this show without nwa number.
> > i think we should stop here more exaplanation are
> not
> > always good.
> > this is not a personnal problem but it's a
> structural
> > problem.that concern labs and scientists
> > behaviourismes.formel and informel.
> > i would like to sell all the time with nwa number
> but
> > it's not always easy , because we are whole sale
> > dealers and i sell to many dealer and colletors
> that
> > want to have there name on lunar and martian
> > classification , i respect that;
> > i do not like to discuss more on the subject.
> > because i do not want to answer each email that
> might
> > concern me or concern morroco.
> > but i completly agree that each meteorite must be
> sold
> > with an nwa numbers.
> > and The more the Moroccans get involved in direct
> > sales to collectors , the more the collectors
> they
> > get good deals and cheap deals.
> > so the problem is in the near futur many world
> dealers
> > will not be able to make money enough dealing with
> > morroco , than morrocan dealers will supply the
> market
> > directly, we can't help it , its the market .
> >
> > sincerly
> > aziz the habibi
> >
> >
> >
> > adam hupe wrote the 13/08/2007.
> > """""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""
> > ORIENTED MARTAIN SHERGOTTITE - 32.3 gram nearly
> > completed crusted individual with flow-lines. This
> is
> > part of the recent discovery that has been on the
> > market lately. Unlike most dealers, this piece has
> > been confirmed along with 34 other very small
> > individuals in my collection by the University of
> > Washington, a type specimen has been deposited and
> a
> > unique number will be assigned when all of the
> > scientists return from Tucson. In the long run,
> > official stones are worth far more and it is very
> > expensive doing the right thing by donating 20% to
> > science. Please keep this in mind when making an
> > offer. I have only seen one other oriented stone
> > from this fall ever offered and it is very
> difficult
> > to come up with a complete stone not a fragment. I
> > will accept the first offer over $400.00 a gram!
> > http://themeteoritesite.com/Martian-a.jpg
> > http://themeteoritesite.com/Martian-b.jpg
> >
> > Thank you for looking.
> >
> >
> > habibi aziz
> > box 70 erfoud 52200 morroco
> > phone. 21235576145
> > fax.21235576170
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
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