[meteorite-list] Mikey vs NWA Market

From: Abdelaziz Alhyane <abdelaziz_alhyane_at_meteoritecentral.com>
Date: Sat, 27 Oct 2007 18:06:11 -0700 (PDT)
Message-ID: <937385.9432.qm_at_web45402.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>

Just to let you know Mikey that here is nobody is
waiting for you to come, nothing to be changed, better
you stay where you are. the game is well understood
now( thanks to God), and please keep your
bullshit(talking about Moroccans all the ways) for
yourself.
Arabie saudit boarders with Oman ( Dhofar) is full of
lunars and martians...., Just give it a try if you
can.
Good luck
Aziz

PS. You always try to hit the nwa market(mali vs
carancas), but you started to be from the past.
When you started to come to Morocco last years, I
always got this " be carefull with'em"





--- Michael Farmer <meteoriteguy at yahoo.com> wrote:

> Why do you think that I no longer go to Morocco? I
> can
> not make money there now, the Moroccans sell to me
> at
> one price, then days later, drop the price and sell
> direct to collectors. Welcome to the
> meteorite-dealers
> club, now do things right and submit type specimens.
>
> It is hard to give up 20 grams of Lunar or Martian
> material isn't it? Why should I have to do it when
> the
> Moroccans do not.
> Many labs in the USA will no longer take samples
> from
> Moroccans since they never send 20 grams, they want
> classification, but will not cough up the required
> material, and so many labs have been burned, they
> did
> the work, then the promised 20 grams never comes.
>
> Michael Farmer
>
> > Hello Habibi,
> >
> > You asked why I purchased some of the Martian
> > material from you in
> > Ensisheim. Simple, I wanted some for my collection
> > and to offer some to
> > others. I will have an NWA number for all of my
> > pieces soon and then I will
> > offer some.
> >
> > As far as the Moroccan influence in pairing
> issues,
> > if you waited until you
> > received an NWA number for your batch of Martian
> > material than a dozen
> > people would not have to get a dozen different NWA
> > numbers. You have the
> > chance to do things right as far as this goes so
> why
> > create such a problem.
> > Adam offered his material to a world market but
> all
> > his material has one NWA
> > number, not a dozen like in the Moroccan marketing
> > plan. There is a big
> > difference.
> >
> > I am not blaming you or trying to start an
> argument,
> > I am simply trying to
> > point out to you and other Moroccans what should
> be
> > done since Moroccans are
> > going after the collector market. This brings up
> > another point, if the
> > Moroccans want to keep their long-term largest
> > wholesale customers, they
> > should not play both sides of the fence by selling
> > to dealers and then
> > turning right around and selling directly to
> > dealer's same customers. You
> > will lose big time buyers with this kind of
> > behavior. Again, not picking on
> > you directly, just pointing out the obvious.
> >
> > Best regards,
> > Greg
> >
> > ====================
> > Greg Hupe
> > The Hupe Collection
> > NaturesVault (eBay)
> > gmhupe at htn.net
> > www.LunarRock.com
> > IMCA 3163
> > ====================
> > Click here for my current eBay auctions:
> > http://search.ebay.com/_W0QQsassZnaturesvault
> >
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "habibi abdelaziz" <azizhabibi at yahoo.com>
> > To: "meteorite list"
> > <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
> > Cc: <gmhupe at htn.net>
> > Sent: Thursday, October 25, 2007 3:25 PM
> > Subject: morrocan and americain influence on
> pairing
> >
> >
> > > hello list memeber and greg.
> > > concerning the problem of pairing,
> > > 1=it's not a morrocan problem , it's a world
> > problem.
> > >
> > > 2= see here your brother adam hupe is sellling
> > this
> > > martian you are talking about without nwa number
> > too,
> > > he have submited a type sample excelent ,but he
> > has
> > > not an nwa number so why is he selling without
> nwa
> > > number.no offense greg this is just to show you
> > that
> > > also americain dealer can do the same.
> > > 3= you bought from me 10.88 gr from this martian
> > in
> > > enseshiem, if you thing it's not good
> > behaviourismes
> > > why you did bought from me than.at the time you
> > didn't
> > > think to the moral.you did think offer and
> > demande.
> > > 4= see here an email posted in this list from
> your
> > > brother selling this martian without nwa number.
> > > on the 13/08/2007.
> > > i know he get an nwa number later , but at the
> > time he
> > > didn't have it, so why he didn't wait.
> > > so he did behave like i did .
> > > 5= with all my respect to the collector and
> > dealers .
> > > the problem is depending on how fast you can get
> > an
> > > nwa number,and how fast you can sell.
> > > there was many nwa dealers and world dealer
> > selling in
> > > this show without nwa number.
> > > i think we should stop here more exaplanation
> are
> > not
> > > always good.
> > > this is not a personnal problem but it's a
> > structural
> > > problem.that concern labs and scientists
> > > behaviourismes.formel and informel.
> > > i would like to sell all the time with nwa
> number
> > but
> > > it's not always easy , because we are whole sale
> > > dealers and i sell to many dealer and colletors
> > that
> > > want to have there name on lunar and martian
> > > classification , i respect that;
> > > i do not like to discuss more on the subject.
> > > because i do not want to answer each email that
> > might
> > > concern me or concern morroco.
> > > but i completly agree that each meteorite must
> be
> > sold
> > > with an nwa numbers.
> > > and The more the Moroccans get involved in
> direct
> > > sales to collectors , the more the collectors
> > they
> > > get good deals and cheap deals.
> > > so the problem is in the near futur many world
> > dealers
> > > will not be able to make money enough dealing
> with
> > > morroco , than morrocan dealers will supply the
> > market
> > > directly, we can't help it , its the market .
> > >
> > > sincerly
> > > aziz the habibi
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > adam hupe wrote the 13/08/2007.
> > > """""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""
> > > ORIENTED MARTAIN SHERGOTTITE - 32.3 gram nearly
> > > completed crusted individual with flow-lines.
> This
> > is
> > > part of the recent discovery that has been on
> the
> > > market lately. Unlike most dealers, this piece
> has
> > > been confirmed along with 34 other very small
> > > individuals in my collection by the University
> of
> > > Washington, a type specimen has been deposited
> and
> > a
> > > unique number will be assigned when all of the
> > > scientists return from Tucson. In the long run,
> > > official stones are worth far more and it is
> very
> > > expensive doing the right thing by donating 20%
> to
> > > science. Please keep this in mind when making an
> > > offer. I have only seen one other oriented stone
> > > from this fall ever offered and it is very
>
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Received on Sat 27 Oct 2007 09:06:11 PM PDT