[meteorite-list] Frederiksburg iron

From: Jason Utas <meteoritekid_at_meteoritecentral.com>
Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2007 23:23:45 -0700
Message-ID: <93aaac890703192323u3cb523bdh67fc5a1a679060bc_at_mail.gmail.com>

Mike,
Again, you ignore my difference of opinion with you on the time scale,
after restating a minute ago that it was seven years ago, etc.
I refuse to further this travesty of an argument. If you simply
ignore me the entire time, why the hell should I prolong it?
Good Night. I've said my bit - assuming that Fredericksburg would get
its own name, even though it is paired to Richland, you can apologize
to John and it'll be submitted. If you think your pride is worth more
than that, it's your decision, and no one's fault but your own, if not
by the original action, by the way you dealed with John afterwards.
I just wondered why it hadn't been submitted after so long. I had
only our side of the story before, now I have yours as well. It's a
shame you still have just yours.
I said repeatedly that I thought that you did no real wrong based on
the information that you had. I also stated that,


If you want what I really said, read the messages I sent you. It
doesn't sound to me as if you have.


I'm going to do French homework.
If you reply, Mike, it'll be to yourself.
Jason

On 3/19/07, Michael Farmer <meteoriteguy at yahoo.com> wrote:
> Again, if there is a problem with the sale, it would
> be more on the Wasson/owner of the meteorite in Alaska
> side of the coin, not on my side.
> Simple
> Man in Alaska emails me about 47 kilo meteorite.
> I make offer.
> Man accepts offer.
> I fly to Alaska some days later with many $100 bills
> and buy meteorite.
> I go home, announce meteorite.
> Dr. Wasson gets angry that I took action that he had
> years to take.
> Dr, Wasson then refuses to answer my emails for years,
> and refuses to release his data on the meteorite.
> If you think that I did something wrong, that is your
> business, but my friend, when I am offered a
> meteorite, I am going to buy it unless I know someone
> else is buying it. When I am shown email after email
> dated more than one year old requesting payment from
> UCLA, then I must assume that they are not really all
> that interested. The seller was sure ready to take my
> money, so he must have exhausted all Patience for
> dealing with UCLA.
> If you and Wasson wanted the meteorite that badly, why
> did you not make an offer, make a price, answer the
> man's repeated requests that spanned more than one
> year?
> Michael Farmer
>
>
> --- Jason Utas <meteoritekid at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > As am I with my facts - we have a binder on it
> > somewhere, but I do
> > remember quite well - it was the first thing we ever
> > corroborated with
> > John on.
> > That being said, I don't believe we disagree on the
> > politics of it at
> > all, assuming that the Richland pairing didn't play
> > the part it
> > appears to have.
> >
> > On 3/19/07, Michael Farmer <meteoriteguy at yahoo.com>
> > wrote:
> > > It would have been nice, and professional, for Dr.
> > > Wasson to convey that fact to me, after the many
> > > emails I have sent him over the years.
> > > We have no issues Jason, just disagree on the
> > facts in
> > > a dispute that is more than 7 years old.
> > > Since I am the one who flew to Alaska, counted out
> > the
> > > money, and dealt with the owner, and drug the 47
> > > kilogram meteorite through several airports (I
> > > actually met with Adam Hupe at the Seattle
> > Airport,
> > > and showed him the meteorite on the way home), I
> > am
> > > pretty sure my facts in the case are pretty
> > accurate.
> > > Michael Farmer
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > --- Jason Utas <meteoritekid at gmail.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > > Haha, now that's just great - even if the
> > politics
> > > > were to blame
> > > > initially, it wouldn't matter anyways - it's
> > another
> > > > mass of Richland.
> > > > In any case, Mike Farmer and I (I'm pretty sure)
> > > > resolved our bit off-list.
> > > > Jason
> > > >
> > > > On 3/19/07, Mike Jensen
> > <meteoriteplaya at gmail.com>
> > > > wrote:
> > > > > Hi Michael
> > > > > According to this article;
> > > > > Formation of IIAB Irons By Wasson, J. T.,
> > Huber,
> > > > Heinz & Malvin,
> > > > > Daniel J. from GCA 71 (2007) 760-781
> > > > > They state in appendix B that : "The 47-kg
> > > > Fredericksburg (Texas) iron
> > > > > was first reported to us by a person living in
> > > > Alaska, who stated that
> > > > > it had been inherited from a deceased relative
> > who
> > > > lived near
> > > > > Fredericksburg. Our analysis of the sample
> > shows
> > > > that, within error,
> > > > > its composition is the same as that of
> > Richland
> > > > (Texas) iron. Both
> > > > > irons appear to be strongly weathered.
> > However,
> > > > these two Texas
> > > > > locations are 297 km apart, farther apart than
> > > > plausible for a strewn
> > > > > field. Our best guess is that human transport
> > has
> > > > been involved, and
> > > > > that they are fragments from the same fall.
> > > > Fredericksburg is not an
> > > > > approved name; we suggest that this mass be
> > > > referred to as Richland
> > > > > (Fredericksburg) unless future studies imply
> > that
> > > > it resulted from a
> > > > > distinct fall."
> > > > >
> > > > > They also have paired up several other irons
> > but
> > > > most well know is
> > > > > Dutch Flat. They recommend treating it as
> > paired
> > > > with Sikhote-Alin.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > --
> > > > > Mike
> > > > > --
> > > > > Mike Jensen
> > > > > Jensen Meteorites
> > > > > 16730 E Ada PL
> > > > > Aurora, CO 80017-3137
> > > > > 303-337-4361
> > > > > IMCA 4264
> > > > > website: www.jensenmeteorites.com
> > > > >
> > > > > On 3/19/07, Michael Farmer
> > > > <meteoriteguy at yahoo.com> wrote:
> > > > > > Jason,
> > > > > > I have asked, many times. Mr Wasson has not
> > done
> > > > me
> > > > > > the courtesy of an answer. He was fast on
> > the
> > > > email
> > > > > > though, when I bought the meteorite,
> > demanding a
> > > > ~500
> > > > > > gram sample since UCLA had tried to buy the
> > > > meteorite
> > > > > > for years before I bought it. There was one
> > > > problem
> > > > > > though, they did not pay the owner of the
> > > > meteorite.
> > > > > > The seller got tired of waiting for UCLA to
> > > > actually
> > > > > > write a check after some years, and sold it
> > to
> > > > me.
> > > > > > This angered John Wasson and he obviously,
> > > > refuses to
> > > > > > finish the classification because of that,
> > even
> > > > after
> > > > > > I sent him and endcut of more than 500 grams
> > for
> > > > free.
> > > > > > There is little I can do, so perhaps you
> > could
> > > > ask
> > > > > > about it.
> > > > > > Michael Farmer
> > > > > >
> > > > > > --- Jason Utas <meteoritekid at gmail.com>
> > wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > Hello Bill, All,
> > > > > > > You should read what you post - check the
> > > > references
> > > > > > > section of your
> > > > > > > link and you get:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Never published in the Meteoritical
> > Bulletin
> > > > > > > Find references in NASA ADS
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Haha, don't think I don't do my research
> > too
> > > > ;)
> > > > > > > It's yet to be "published," just as I
> > said.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > And Mike, it seems as if we've finally hit
> > on
> > > > > > > something we disagree on -
> > > > > > > I didn't buy any piece of the meteorite,
> > nor
> > > > did I
> > > > > > > buy/sell the entire mass.
> > > > > > > I think that asking John would fall to
> > you, or
> > > > at
> > > > > > > least a buyer.
> > > > > > > I'm just curious to know why it hasn't
> > been
> > > > > > > submitted yet.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Regards,
> > > > > > > Jason
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > On 3/19/07, Bill <glixard at inbox.com>
> > wrote:
> > > > > > > > Hi Jason,
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
> http://tin.er.usgs.gov/meteor/metbull.php?sea=havana&sfor=names&ants=&falls=&stype=contains&lrec=50&map=ge&browse=&country=All&srt=name&categ=All&mblist=All&phot=&pnt=no&code=11857
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Regards,
> > > > > > > > Bill
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > > > > > > From: meteoritekid at gmail.com
> > > > > > > > > Sent: Mon, 19 Mar 2007 18:23:20 -0700
> > > > > > > > > To:
> > meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
> > > > > > > > > Subject: Re: [meteorite-list]
> > correction
> >
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Received on Tue 20 Mar 2007 02:23:45 AM PDT