[meteorite-list] Frederiksburg iron

From: Michael Farmer <meteoriteguy_at_meteoritecentral.com>
Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2007 22:55:00 -0700 (PDT)
Message-ID: <302722.80764.qm_at_web33112.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Again, if there is a problem with the sale, it would
be more on the Wasson/owner of the meteorite in Alaska
side of the coin, not on my side.
Simple
Man in Alaska emails me about 47 kilo meteorite.
I make offer.
Man accepts offer.
I fly to Alaska some days later with many $100 bills
and buy meteorite.
I go home, announce meteorite.
Dr. Wasson gets angry that I took action that he had
years to take.
Dr, Wasson then refuses to answer my emails for years,
and refuses to release his data on the meteorite.
If you think that I did something wrong, that is your
business, but my friend, when I am offered a
meteorite, I am going to buy it unless I know someone
else is buying it. When I am shown email after email
dated more than one year old requesting payment from
UCLA, then I must assume that they are not really all
that interested. The seller was sure ready to take my
money, so he must have exhausted all Patience for
dealing with UCLA.
If you and Wasson wanted the meteorite that badly, why
did you not make an offer, make a price, answer the
man's repeated requests that spanned more than one
year?
Michael Farmer


--- Jason Utas <meteoritekid at gmail.com> wrote:

> As am I with my facts - we have a binder on it
> somewhere, but I do
> remember quite well - it was the first thing we ever
> corroborated with
> John on.
> That being said, I don't believe we disagree on the
> politics of it at
> all, assuming that the Richland pairing didn't play
> the part it
> appears to have.
>
> On 3/19/07, Michael Farmer <meteoriteguy at yahoo.com>
> wrote:
> > It would have been nice, and professional, for Dr.
> > Wasson to convey that fact to me, after the many
> > emails I have sent him over the years.
> > We have no issues Jason, just disagree on the
> facts in
> > a dispute that is more than 7 years old.
> > Since I am the one who flew to Alaska, counted out
> the
> > money, and dealt with the owner, and drug the 47
> > kilogram meteorite through several airports (I
> > actually met with Adam Hupe at the Seattle
> Airport,
> > and showed him the meteorite on the way home), I
> am
> > pretty sure my facts in the case are pretty
> accurate.
> > Michael Farmer
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > --- Jason Utas <meteoritekid at gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > > Haha, now that's just great - even if the
> politics
> > > were to blame
> > > initially, it wouldn't matter anyways - it's
> another
> > > mass of Richland.
> > > In any case, Mike Farmer and I (I'm pretty sure)
> > > resolved our bit off-list.
> > > Jason
> > >
> > > On 3/19/07, Mike Jensen
> <meteoriteplaya at gmail.com>
> > > wrote:
> > > > Hi Michael
> > > > According to this article;
> > > > Formation of IIAB Irons By Wasson, J. T.,
> Huber,
> > > Heinz & Malvin,
> > > > Daniel J. from GCA 71 (2007) 760-781
> > > > They state in appendix B that : "The 47-kg
> > > Fredericksburg (Texas) iron
> > > > was first reported to us by a person living in
> > > Alaska, who stated that
> > > > it had been inherited from a deceased relative
> who
> > > lived near
> > > > Fredericksburg. Our analysis of the sample
> shows
> > > that, within error,
> > > > its composition is the same as that of
> Richland
> > > (Texas) iron. Both
> > > > irons appear to be strongly weathered.
> However,
> > > these two Texas
> > > > locations are 297 km apart, farther apart than
> > > plausible for a strewn
> > > > field. Our best guess is that human transport
> has
> > > been involved, and
> > > > that they are fragments from the same fall.
> > > Fredericksburg is not an
> > > > approved name; we suggest that this mass be
> > > referred to as Richland
> > > > (Fredericksburg) unless future studies imply
> that
> > > it resulted from a
> > > > distinct fall."
> > > >
> > > > They also have paired up several other irons
> but
> > > most well know is
> > > > Dutch Flat. They recommend treating it as
> paired
> > > with Sikhote-Alin.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > --
> > > > Mike
> > > > --
> > > > Mike Jensen
> > > > Jensen Meteorites
> > > > 16730 E Ada PL
> > > > Aurora, CO 80017-3137
> > > > 303-337-4361
> > > > IMCA 4264
> > > > website: www.jensenmeteorites.com
> > > >
> > > > On 3/19/07, Michael Farmer
> > > <meteoriteguy at yahoo.com> wrote:
> > > > > Jason,
> > > > > I have asked, many times. Mr Wasson has not
> done
> > > me
> > > > > the courtesy of an answer. He was fast on
> the
> > > email
> > > > > though, when I bought the meteorite,
> demanding a
> > > ~500
> > > > > gram sample since UCLA had tried to buy the
> > > meteorite
> > > > > for years before I bought it. There was one
> > > problem
> > > > > though, they did not pay the owner of the
> > > meteorite.
> > > > > The seller got tired of waiting for UCLA to
> > > actually
> > > > > write a check after some years, and sold it
> to
> > > me.
> > > > > This angered John Wasson and he obviously,
> > > refuses to
> > > > > finish the classification because of that,
> even
> > > after
> > > > > I sent him and endcut of more than 500 grams
> for
> > > free.
> > > > > There is little I can do, so perhaps you
> could
> > > ask
> > > > > about it.
> > > > > Michael Farmer
> > > > >
> > > > > --- Jason Utas <meteoritekid at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > > Hello Bill, All,
> > > > > > You should read what you post - check the
> > > references
> > > > > > section of your
> > > > > > link and you get:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Never published in the Meteoritical
> Bulletin
> > > > > > Find references in NASA ADS
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Haha, don't think I don't do my research
> too
> > > ;)
> > > > > > It's yet to be "published," just as I
> said.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > And Mike, it seems as if we've finally hit
> on
> > > > > > something we disagree on -
> > > > > > I didn't buy any piece of the meteorite,
> nor
> > > did I
> > > > > > buy/sell the entire mass.
> > > > > > I think that asking John would fall to
> you, or
> > > at
> > > > > > least a buyer.
> > > > > > I'm just curious to know why it hasn't
> been
> > > > > > submitted yet.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Regards,
> > > > > > Jason
> > > > > >
> > > > > > On 3/19/07, Bill <glixard at inbox.com>
> wrote:
> > > > > > > Hi Jason,
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > >
> >
>
http://tin.er.usgs.gov/meteor/metbull.php?sea=havana&sfor=names&ants=&falls=&stype=contains&lrec=50&map=ge&browse=&country=All&srt=name&categ=All&mblist=All&phot=&pnt=no&code=11857
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Regards,
> > > > > > > Bill
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > > > > > From: meteoritekid at gmail.com
> > > > > > > > Sent: Mon, 19 Mar 2007 18:23:20 -0700
> > > > > > > > To:
> meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
> > > > > > > > Subject: Re: [meteorite-list]
> correction
>
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Received on Tue 20 Mar 2007 01:55:00 AM PDT