[meteorite-list] correction on illinois irons

From: Jason Utas <meteoritekid_at_meteoritecentral.com>
Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2007 22:45:52 -0700
Message-ID: <93aaac890703192245r4b627aack4b9fed5eb2264197_at_mail.gmail.com>

As am I with my facts - we have a binder on it somewhere, but I do
remember quite well - it was the first thing we ever corroborated with
John on.
That being said, I don't believe we disagree on the politics of it at
all, assuming that the Richland pairing didn't play the part it
appears to have.

On 3/19/07, Michael Farmer <meteoriteguy at yahoo.com> wrote:
> It would have been nice, and professional, for Dr.
> Wasson to convey that fact to me, after the many
> emails I have sent him over the years.
> We have no issues Jason, just disagree on the facts in
> a dispute that is more than 7 years old.
> Since I am the one who flew to Alaska, counted out the
> money, and dealt with the owner, and drug the 47
> kilogram meteorite through several airports (I
> actually met with Adam Hupe at the Seattle Airport,
> and showed him the meteorite on the way home), I am
> pretty sure my facts in the case are pretty accurate.
> Michael Farmer
>
>
>
>
> --- Jason Utas <meteoritekid at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > Haha, now that's just great - even if the politics
> > were to blame
> > initially, it wouldn't matter anyways - it's another
> > mass of Richland.
> > In any case, Mike Farmer and I (I'm pretty sure)
> > resolved our bit off-list.
> > Jason
> >
> > On 3/19/07, Mike Jensen <meteoriteplaya at gmail.com>
> > wrote:
> > > Hi Michael
> > > According to this article;
> > > Formation of IIAB Irons By Wasson, J. T., Huber,
> > Heinz & Malvin,
> > > Daniel J. from GCA 71 (2007) 760-781
> > > They state in appendix B that : "The 47-kg
> > Fredericksburg (Texas) iron
> > > was first reported to us by a person living in
> > Alaska, who stated that
> > > it had been inherited from a deceased relative who
> > lived near
> > > Fredericksburg. Our analysis of the sample shows
> > that, within error,
> > > its composition is the same as that of Richland
> > (Texas) iron. Both
> > > irons appear to be strongly weathered. However,
> > these two Texas
> > > locations are 297 km apart, farther apart than
> > plausible for a strewn
> > > field. Our best guess is that human transport has
> > been involved, and
> > > that they are fragments from the same fall.
> > Fredericksburg is not an
> > > approved name; we suggest that this mass be
> > referred to as Richland
> > > (Fredericksburg) unless future studies imply that
> > it resulted from a
> > > distinct fall."
> > >
> > > They also have paired up several other irons but
> > most well know is
> > > Dutch Flat. They recommend treating it as paired
> > with Sikhote-Alin.
> > >
> > >
> > > --
> > > Mike
> > > --
> > > Mike Jensen
> > > Jensen Meteorites
> > > 16730 E Ada PL
> > > Aurora, CO 80017-3137
> > > 303-337-4361
> > > IMCA 4264
> > > website: www.jensenmeteorites.com
> > >
> > > On 3/19/07, Michael Farmer
> > <meteoriteguy at yahoo.com> wrote:
> > > > Jason,
> > > > I have asked, many times. Mr Wasson has not done
> > me
> > > > the courtesy of an answer. He was fast on the
> > email
> > > > though, when I bought the meteorite, demanding a
> > ~500
> > > > gram sample since UCLA had tried to buy the
> > meteorite
> > > > for years before I bought it. There was one
> > problem
> > > > though, they did not pay the owner of the
> > meteorite.
> > > > The seller got tired of waiting for UCLA to
> > actually
> > > > write a check after some years, and sold it to
> > me.
> > > > This angered John Wasson and he obviously,
> > refuses to
> > > > finish the classification because of that, even
> > after
> > > > I sent him and endcut of more than 500 grams for
> > free.
> > > > There is little I can do, so perhaps you could
> > ask
> > > > about it.
> > > > Michael Farmer
> > > >
> > > > --- Jason Utas <meteoritekid at gmail.com> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > Hello Bill, All,
> > > > > You should read what you post - check the
> > references
> > > > > section of your
> > > > > link and you get:
> > > > >
> > > > > Never published in the Meteoritical Bulletin
> > > > > Find references in NASA ADS
> > > > >
> > > > > Haha, don't think I don't do my research too
> > ;)
> > > > > It's yet to be "published," just as I said.
> > > > >
> > > > > And Mike, it seems as if we've finally hit on
> > > > > something we disagree on -
> > > > > I didn't buy any piece of the meteorite, nor
> > did I
> > > > > buy/sell the entire mass.
> > > > > I think that asking John would fall to you, or
> > at
> > > > > least a buyer.
> > > > > I'm just curious to know why it hasn't been
> > > > > submitted yet.
> > > > >
> > > > > Regards,
> > > > > Jason
> > > > >
> > > > > On 3/19/07, Bill <glixard at inbox.com> wrote:
> > > > > > Hi Jason,
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> >
> http://tin.er.usgs.gov/meteor/metbull.php?sea=havana&sfor=names&ants=&falls=&stype=contains&lrec=50&map=ge&browse=&country=All&srt=name&categ=All&mblist=All&phot=&pnt=no&code=11857
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Regards,
> > > > > > Bill
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > > > > From: meteoritekid at gmail.com
> > > > > > > Sent: Mon, 19 Mar 2007 18:23:20 -0700
> > > > > > > To: meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
> > > > > > > Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] correction
> > on
> > > > > illinois irons
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Hello Again All, Steve,
> > > > > > > Well, you're...kind of....right.
> > > > > > > Most people wouldn't qualify Havana as a
> > > > > meteorite, seeing as all
> > > > > > > that's known of it is a few little indian
> > beads
> > > > > made out of meteoric
> > > > > > > iron. Yes, it's true, they did turn out
> > to have
> > > > > a different chemical
> > > > > > > composition than any known iron, but then
> > again,
> > > > > it was never
> > > > > > > published in the meteoritical bulletin.
> > > > > > > It would be something like calling
> > > > > Fredericksburg (remember that
> > > > > > > Hexahedrite from a few years ago?) an
> > approved
> > > > > meteorite - it's never
> > > > > > > been mentioned in the bulletin or
> > elsewhere, so
> > > > > how can you?
> > > > > > > On that note, does anyone know why it was
> > never
> > > > > submitted?
> > > > > > > Regards,
> > > > > > > Jason
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > On 3/19/07, steve arnold
> > > > > <stevenarnold60120 at yahoo.com> wrote:
> > > > > > >> Hello list and good evening.Being from
> > illinois
> > > > > and
> > > > > > >> having been to 3 of the state
> > strewfields,there
> > > > > are
> > > > > > >> already 3 iron meteorites classified
> > already in
> > > > > > >> illinois.HAVANA (IIICD),SAINT AUGUSTINE
> > > > > (IID),and
> > > > > > >> finally WOODBINE (IAB).So if this was to
> > be the
> > > > > next
> > > > > > >> iron from illinois,it would be the
> > > > > FOURTH.3+1=4.I
> > > > > > >> always thought that 4 year olds knew this
> > > > > addition as
> > > > > > >> well as 50 year olds.I guess not.
> > > > > > >>
> > > > > > >> Steve R.Arnold,chicago,Ill,Usa!!
> > > > > > >> Collecting Meteorites since 06/19/1999!!
> > > > > > >> www.chicagometeorites.net
> > > > > > >> Ebay I.D. Illinoismeteorites
> > > > > > >>
> > > > > > >>
> > > > > > >>
> > > > > > >>
> > > > > > >>
> > > > >
> > > >
> >
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Received on Tue 20 Mar 2007 01:45:52 AM PDT