[meteorite-list] correction on illinois irons

From: Michael Farmer <meteoriteguy_at_meteoritecentral.com>
Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2007 22:40:30 -0700 (PDT)
Message-ID: <476535.21616.qm_at_web33110.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

It would have been nice, and professional, for Dr.
Wasson to convey that fact to me, after the many
emails I have sent him over the years.
We have no issues Jason, just disagree on the facts in
a dispute that is more than 7 years old.
Since I am the one who flew to Alaska, counted out the
money, and dealt with the owner, and drug the 47
kilogram meteorite through several airports (I
actually met with Adam Hupe at the Seattle Airport,
and showed him the meteorite on the way home), I am
pretty sure my facts in the case are pretty accurate.
Michael Farmer




--- Jason Utas <meteoritekid at gmail.com> wrote:

> Haha, now that's just great - even if the politics
> were to blame
> initially, it wouldn't matter anyways - it's another
> mass of Richland.
> In any case, Mike Farmer and I (I'm pretty sure)
> resolved our bit off-list.
> Jason
>
> On 3/19/07, Mike Jensen <meteoriteplaya at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> > Hi Michael
> > According to this article;
> > Formation of IIAB Irons By Wasson, J. T., Huber,
> Heinz & Malvin,
> > Daniel J. from GCA 71 (2007) 760-781
> > They state in appendix B that : "The 47-kg
> Fredericksburg (Texas) iron
> > was first reported to us by a person living in
> Alaska, who stated that
> > it had been inherited from a deceased relative who
> lived near
> > Fredericksburg. Our analysis of the sample shows
> that, within error,
> > its composition is the same as that of Richland
> (Texas) iron. Both
> > irons appear to be strongly weathered. However,
> these two Texas
> > locations are 297 km apart, farther apart than
> plausible for a strewn
> > field. Our best guess is that human transport has
> been involved, and
> > that they are fragments from the same fall.
> Fredericksburg is not an
> > approved name; we suggest that this mass be
> referred to as Richland
> > (Fredericksburg) unless future studies imply that
> it resulted from a
> > distinct fall."
> >
> > They also have paired up several other irons but
> most well know is
> > Dutch Flat. They recommend treating it as paired
> with Sikhote-Alin.
> >
> >
> > --
> > Mike
> > --
> > Mike Jensen
> > Jensen Meteorites
> > 16730 E Ada PL
> > Aurora, CO 80017-3137
> > 303-337-4361
> > IMCA 4264
> > website: www.jensenmeteorites.com
> >
> > On 3/19/07, Michael Farmer
> <meteoriteguy at yahoo.com> wrote:
> > > Jason,
> > > I have asked, many times. Mr Wasson has not done
> me
> > > the courtesy of an answer. He was fast on the
> email
> > > though, when I bought the meteorite, demanding a
> ~500
> > > gram sample since UCLA had tried to buy the
> meteorite
> > > for years before I bought it. There was one
> problem
> > > though, they did not pay the owner of the
> meteorite.
> > > The seller got tired of waiting for UCLA to
> actually
> > > write a check after some years, and sold it to
> me.
> > > This angered John Wasson and he obviously,
> refuses to
> > > finish the classification because of that, even
> after
> > > I sent him and endcut of more than 500 grams for
> free.
> > > There is little I can do, so perhaps you could
> ask
> > > about it.
> > > Michael Farmer
> > >
> > > --- Jason Utas <meteoritekid at gmail.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > > Hello Bill, All,
> > > > You should read what you post - check the
> references
> > > > section of your
> > > > link and you get:
> > > >
> > > > Never published in the Meteoritical Bulletin
> > > > Find references in NASA ADS
> > > >
> > > > Haha, don't think I don't do my research too
> ;)
> > > > It's yet to be "published," just as I said.
> > > >
> > > > And Mike, it seems as if we've finally hit on
> > > > something we disagree on -
> > > > I didn't buy any piece of the meteorite, nor
> did I
> > > > buy/sell the entire mass.
> > > > I think that asking John would fall to you, or
> at
> > > > least a buyer.
> > > > I'm just curious to know why it hasn't been
> > > > submitted yet.
> > > >
> > > > Regards,
> > > > Jason
> > > >
> > > > On 3/19/07, Bill <glixard at inbox.com> wrote:
> > > > > Hi Jason,
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > >
>
http://tin.er.usgs.gov/meteor/metbull.php?sea=havana&sfor=names&ants=&falls=&stype=contains&lrec=50&map=ge&browse=&country=All&srt=name&categ=All&mblist=All&phot=&pnt=no&code=11857
> > > > >
> > > > > Regards,
> > > > > Bill
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > > > From: meteoritekid at gmail.com
> > > > > > Sent: Mon, 19 Mar 2007 18:23:20 -0700
> > > > > > To: meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
> > > > > > Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] correction
> on
> > > > illinois irons
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Hello Again All, Steve,
> > > > > > Well, you're...kind of....right.
> > > > > > Most people wouldn't qualify Havana as a
> > > > meteorite, seeing as all
> > > > > > that's known of it is a few little indian
> beads
> > > > made out of meteoric
> > > > > > iron. Yes, it's true, they did turn out
> to have
> > > > a different chemical
> > > > > > composition than any known iron, but then
> again,
> > > > it was never
> > > > > > published in the meteoritical bulletin.
> > > > > > It would be something like calling
> > > > Fredericksburg (remember that
> > > > > > Hexahedrite from a few years ago?) an
> approved
> > > > meteorite - it's never
> > > > > > been mentioned in the bulletin or
> elsewhere, so
> > > > how can you?
> > > > > > On that note, does anyone know why it was
> never
> > > > submitted?
> > > > > > Regards,
> > > > > > Jason
> > > > > >
> > > > > > On 3/19/07, steve arnold
> > > > <stevenarnold60120 at yahoo.com> wrote:
> > > > > >> Hello list and good evening.Being from
> illinois
> > > > and
> > > > > >> having been to 3 of the state
> strewfields,there
> > > > are
> > > > > >> already 3 iron meteorites classified
> already in
> > > > > >> illinois.HAVANA (IIICD),SAINT AUGUSTINE
> > > > (IID),and
> > > > > >> finally WOODBINE (IAB).So if this was to
> be the
> > > > next
> > > > > >> iron from illinois,it would be the
> > > > FOURTH.3+1=4.I
> > > > > >> always thought that 4 year olds knew this
> > > > addition as
> > > > > >> well as 50 year olds.I guess not.
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >> Steve R.Arnold,chicago,Ill,Usa!!
> > > > > >> Collecting Meteorites since 06/19/1999!!
> > > > > >> www.chicagometeorites.net
> > > > > >> Ebay I.D. Illinoismeteorites
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >>
> > > >
> > >
>
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