[meteorite-list] Frederiksburg iron

From: Michael Farmer <meteoriteguy_at_meteoritecentral.com>
Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2007 23:44:51 -0700 (PDT)
Message-ID: <311412.97327.qm_at_web33112.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Jason,
Apologize to John for what? Paying the man who wanted
to sell the meteorite, something that John would
not/could not do? Sorry, but no thanks.
If Dr. Wasson is holding the data, waiting for an
apology from me after I gave him more than half a
kilo, that what kind of scientist is he? How did I
deal with John after the fact? I gave him more than
500 grams of a rare meteorite, and never heard one
word from him again, so please explain how I did
anything after the fact? That makes no sense.
There is no argument here, just a simple reciting of
facts regarding a meteorite that I bought. How old
were you back then, I don't know your exact age, but I
guess you would have been around 11 or 12 years old
back then? Why do you presume to know more about this
transaction than the man who made the deal, jumped on
a plane, and spent more than $20,000 in hundred dollar
bills? That alone makes no sense.
Actually you told me privately that I did wrong,
whether knowingly or unkowingly by "snatching" the
meteorite from your/Wasson's hands. I told you that
the emails clearly showed that Wasson was not
responding to him, so he found me on the internet,
offered me the meteorite, and I bought it. I
understand that you and Wasson might be dissapointed
that you did not get the meteorite, but obviously the
negotiations were not going well, or he would not have
looked me up and sold me the meteorite now would he?
It seems that by your temper, and use of curse words,
that there is an underlying issue here, and you
refusal to answer my private emails confirms that,
since I countered your assertions with no rebuttal.

Enjoy your French homework, I found Spanish a much
more useful language to learn in today's world. I
myself, still suffer jetlag, so must get to bed.

thanks to Mike Jenson for clearing up the
classification issue, that allows everyone to finalize
their collection information.
Michael Farmer

--- Jason Utas <meteoritekid at gmail.com> wrote:

> Mike,
> Again, you ignore my difference of opinion with you
> on the time scale,
> after restating a minute ago that it was seven years
> ago, etc.
> I refuse to further this travesty of an argument.
> If you simply
> ignore me the entire time, why the hell should I
> prolong it?
> Good Night. I've said my bit - assuming that
> Fredericksburg would get
> its own name, even though it is paired to Richland,
> you can apologize
> to John and it'll be submitted. If you think your
> pride is worth more
> than that, it's your decision, and no one's fault
> but your own, if not
> by the original action, by the way you dealed with
> John afterwards.
> I just wondered why it hadn't been submitted after
> so long. I had
> only our side of the story before, now I have yours
> as well. It's a
> shame you still have just yours.
> I said repeatedly that I thought that you did no
> real wrong based on
> the information that you had. I also stated that,
>
>
> If you want what I really said, read the messages I
> sent you. It
> doesn't sound to me as if you have.
>
>
> I'm going to do French homework.
> If you reply, Mike, it'll be to yourself.
> Jason
>
> On 3/19/07, Michael Farmer <meteoriteguy at yahoo.com>
> wrote:
> > Again, if there is a problem with the sale, it
> would
> > be more on the Wasson/owner of the meteorite in
> Alaska
> > side of the coin, not on my side.
> > Simple
> > Man in Alaska emails me about 47 kilo meteorite.
> > I make offer.
> > Man accepts offer.
> > I fly to Alaska some days later with many $100
> bills
> > and buy meteorite.
> > I go home, announce meteorite.
> > Dr. Wasson gets angry that I took action that he
> had
> > years to take.
> > Dr, Wasson then refuses to answer my emails for
> years,
> > and refuses to release his data on the meteorite.
> > If you think that I did something wrong, that is
> your
> > business, but my friend, when I am offered a
> > meteorite, I am going to buy it unless I know
> someone
> > else is buying it. When I am shown email after
> email
> > dated more than one year old requesting payment
> from
> > UCLA, then I must assume that they are not really
> all
> > that interested. The seller was sure ready to take
> my
> > money, so he must have exhausted all Patience for
> > dealing with UCLA.
> > If you and Wasson wanted the meteorite that badly,
> why
> > did you not make an offer, make a price, answer
> the
> > man's repeated requests that spanned more than one
> > year?
> > Michael Farmer
> >
> >
> > --- Jason Utas <meteoritekid at gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > > As am I with my facts - we have a binder on it
> > > somewhere, but I do
> > > remember quite well - it was the first thing we
> ever
> > > corroborated with
> > > John on.
> > > That being said, I don't believe we disagree on
> the
> > > politics of it at
> > > all, assuming that the Richland pairing didn't
> play
> > > the part it
> > > appears to have.
> > >
> > > On 3/19/07, Michael Farmer
> <meteoriteguy at yahoo.com>
> > > wrote:
> > > > It would have been nice, and professional, for
> Dr.
> > > > Wasson to convey that fact to me, after the
> many
> > > > emails I have sent him over the years.
> > > > We have no issues Jason, just disagree on the
> > > facts in
> > > > a dispute that is more than 7 years old.
> > > > Since I am the one who flew to Alaska, counted
> out
> > > the
> > > > money, and dealt with the owner, and drug the
> 47
> > > > kilogram meteorite through several airports (I
> > > > actually met with Adam Hupe at the Seattle
> > > Airport,
> > > > and showed him the meteorite on the way home),
> I
> > > am
> > > > pretty sure my facts in the case are pretty
> > > accurate.
> > > > Michael Farmer
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > --- Jason Utas <meteoritekid at gmail.com> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > Haha, now that's just great - even if the
> > > politics
> > > > > were to blame
> > > > > initially, it wouldn't matter anyways - it's
> > > another
> > > > > mass of Richland.
> > > > > In any case, Mike Farmer and I (I'm pretty
> sure)
> > > > > resolved our bit off-list.
> > > > > Jason
> > > > >
> > > > > On 3/19/07, Mike Jensen
> > > <meteoriteplaya at gmail.com>
> > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > Hi Michael
> > > > > > According to this article;
> > > > > > Formation of IIAB Irons By Wasson, J. T.,
> > > Huber,
> > > > > Heinz & Malvin,
> > > > > > Daniel J. from GCA 71 (2007) 760-781
> > > > > > They state in appendix B that : "The 47-kg
> > > > > Fredericksburg (Texas) iron
> > > > > > was first reported to us by a person
> living in
> > > > > Alaska, who stated that
> > > > > > it had been inherited from a deceased
> relative
> > > who
> > > > > lived near
> > > > > > Fredericksburg. Our analysis of the sample
> > > shows
> > > > > that, within error,
> > > > > > its composition is the same as that of
> > > Richland
> > > > > (Texas) iron. Both
> > > > > > irons appear to be strongly weathered.
> > > However,
> > > > > these two Texas
> > > > > > locations are 297 km apart, farther apart
> than
> > > > > plausible for a strewn
> > > > > > field. Our best guess is that human
> transport
> > > has
> > > > > been involved, and
> > > > > > that they are fragments from the same
> fall.
> > > > > Fredericksburg is not an
> > > > > > approved name; we suggest that this mass
> be
> > > > > referred to as Richland
> > > > > > (Fredericksburg) unless future studies
> imply
> > > that
> > > > > it resulted from a
> > > > > > distinct fall."
> > > > > >
> > > > > > They also have paired up several other
> irons
> > > but
> > > > > most well know is
> > > > > > Dutch Flat. They recommend treating it as
> > > paired
> > > > > with Sikhote-Alin.
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > --
> > > > > > Mike
> > > > > > --
> > > > > > Mike Jensen
> > > > > > Jensen Meteorites
>
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