[meteorite-list] Mutha Stone

From: Michael Farmer <meteoritehunter_at_meteoritecentral.com>
Date: Sat Dec 31 00:38:33 2005
Message-ID: <003501c60dcc$6de017d0$0200a8c0_at_S0031628003>

Dean, I DO NOT own a gram of Fukang, so Adam is not trying to mess with me.
Again, I will not have any of that meteorite for sale in Tucson. I dont know
who will since they keep is a major secret.
Mike
----- Original Message -----
From: "dean bessey" <deanbessey_at_yahoo.com>
To: <meteorite-list_at_meteoritecentral.com>
Sent: Friday, December 30, 2005 10:20 PM
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Mutha Stone


> Geez adam are you going to start up this BS again?
> Seems you do it every time you want to try and screw
> farmer or some other dealer that you currently have
> some tiff with or just to claim that "My meteorites
> are better than everybody elses meteorites and (Like
> the moronic pellisons meteorites) worth 10 times as
> much as everybody elses. Do you have sour grapes
> because farmer has a shit load of the stuff for tucson
> and you dont and you just cant stand farmer having all
> the fun?
> The more proper question to ask is "Were they
> illegally exported from china and are they now legal
> in the USA"? This means (among other things) that does
> china and the USA have a repatriation agreement
> involving meteorites? Does any of the SAR regions laws
> come into play? And other things also I am sure.
> If you want to know contact customs, the chinese
> embassy ect? Maybe then you would be contributing
> something to the list as I am sure everybody would
> love a report.
> You keep bring this up about morocco whenever you want
> to make things difficult for some other dealer (Or
> just want to make yourself sound holy) - even though
> you or anybody else can easily contact the Moroccan
> embassy and ask (Who will tell you meteorites are
> legal to export without any paperwork - But Dont
> anybody take my word for it as I am not guaranteeing
> anything - call up and ask yourself). This is also
> true of most moroccan fossils - except Dinosaur
> fossils. All dinosaur teeth that you see in Tucson
> were illegally exported. However, convuleted cultural
> property laws laws dont necessarily mean that the
> teeth were illegally imported into the USA or that
> there is a problem having them. I am not even sure
> that there is a firm ruling on that. I am sure that
> there are other things involving this that I am not
> familiar with also.
> You brought this up about Oman a while back (Again,
> partly to try and screw over farmer after he found a
> lunar) even though Oman does not have meteorite laws
> on their books. The guys who had trouble in Oman got
> in trouble over immigration and mining laws - not that
> they had meteorites. Most arab countries has resource
> laws making it illegal to remove so much as a bit of
> sand from the desert if they wanted to nail you for
> something.
> And entering most countries with plans to make money
> on a tourist visa is usually illegal.
> That dont make exporting meteorites illegal even if
> they were confiscated as contraband.
> I dont know the chinese meteorite laws. In fact I have
> been two years fighting it out with the cultural
> people trying to get a ruling on chinese fossil laws
> and I can tell you that even there there is
> conflicting, overlapping and grey areas in the legal
> system. And the fact that Australian courts recently
> decided to reverse 2000 yaers of legal rulings used in
> most of the industrialized world reversing the
> "Innocent unless proven guilty" into "Guilty until
> proven innocent" dont make Chinese meteorite laws
> illegal in the USA.
> That meteorite may or may not have been illegally
> exported from china. I dont know. I dont have a part
> in it and dont really want any part of that meteorite.
> But I do know that you brought up this topic (Yet
> again) for no reason other than to try and screw over
> farmer in tucson as he tries to sell it.
> If you are worried about the legality I suggest you
> stay away from the rock. Let farmer take the risks
> involved in selling it. But dont be a scumbag and try
> and screw his sales by blowing hot air.
> Sincerely
> DEAN
>
>
>
>
>
> --- Adam Hupe <raremeteorites_at_comcast.net> wrote:
>
>> On the subject of the Fukang Mutha Stone, how was
>> this legally exported from
>> China?
>>
>> Adam
>>
>>
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