[meteorite-list] Mutha Stone

From: Adam Hupe <raremeteorites_at_meteoritecentral.com>
Date: Sat Dec 31 00:31:51 2005
Message-ID: <035d01c60dcb$4c7695c0$6401a8c0_at_c1720188a>

Dean,

Here you go again, demonstrating to the rest of the world your vast
intelligence. If you read the string, you will see that another List member
brought it up first. As far as I know, Mike Farmer has chosen to stay away
from this particular meteorite. My main purpose in going to Tucson is to
mainly purchase meteorites, have a good time and not to compete with
anybody. Dean, get it together before you completely fall apart with these
unfounded accusations or at the very least, take them off of the list.

Take Care,

Adam


----- Original Message -----
From: "dean bessey" <deanbessey_at_yahoo.com>
To: <meteorite-list_at_meteoritecentral.com>
Sent: Friday, December 30, 2005 9:20 PM
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Mutha Stone


> Geez adam are you going to start up this BS again?
> Seems you do it every time you want to try and screw
> farmer or some other dealer that you currently have
> some tiff with or just to claim that "My meteorites
> are better than everybody elses meteorites and (Like
> the moronic pellisons meteorites) worth 10 times as
> much as everybody elses. Do you have sour grapes
> because farmer has a shit load of the stuff for tucson
> and you dont and you just cant stand farmer having all
> the fun?
> The more proper question to ask is "Were they
> illegally exported from china and are they now legal
> in the USA"? This means (among other things) that does
> china and the USA have a repatriation agreement
> involving meteorites? Does any of the SAR regions laws
> come into play? And other things also I am sure.
> If you want to know contact customs, the chinese
> embassy ect? Maybe then you would be contributing
> something to the list as I am sure everybody would
> love a report.
> You keep bring this up about morocco whenever you want
> to make things difficult for some other dealer (Or
> just want to make yourself sound holy) - even though
> you or anybody else can easily contact the Moroccan
> embassy and ask (Who will tell you meteorites are
> legal to export without any paperwork - But Dont
> anybody take my word for it as I am not guaranteeing
> anything - call up and ask yourself). This is also
> true of most moroccan fossils - except Dinosaur
> fossils. All dinosaur teeth that you see in Tucson
> were illegally exported. However, convuleted cultural
> property laws laws dont necessarily mean that the
> teeth were illegally imported into the USA or that
> there is a problem having them. I am not even sure
> that there is a firm ruling on that. I am sure that
> there are other things involving this that I am not
> familiar with also.
> You brought this up about Oman a while back (Again,
> partly to try and screw over farmer after he found a
> lunar) even though Oman does not have meteorite laws
> on their books. The guys who had trouble in Oman got
> in trouble over immigration and mining laws - not that
> they had meteorites. Most arab countries has resource
> laws making it illegal to remove so much as a bit of
> sand from the desert if they wanted to nail you for
> something.
> And entering most countries with plans to make money
> on a tourist visa is usually illegal.
> That dont make exporting meteorites illegal even if
> they were confiscated as contraband.
> I dont know the chinese meteorite laws. In fact I have
> been two years fighting it out with the cultural
> people trying to get a ruling on chinese fossil laws
> and I can tell you that even there there is
> conflicting, overlapping and grey areas in the legal
> system. And the fact that Australian courts recently
> decided to reverse 2000 yaers of legal rulings used in
> most of the industrialized world reversing the
> "Innocent unless proven guilty" into "Guilty until
> proven innocent" dont make Chinese meteorite laws
> illegal in the USA.
> That meteorite may or may not have been illegally
> exported from china. I dont know. I dont have a part
> in it and dont really want any part of that meteorite.
> But I do know that you brought up this topic (Yet
> again) for no reason other than to try and screw over
> farmer in tucson as he tries to sell it.
> If you are worried about the legality I suggest you
> stay away from the rock. Let farmer take the risks
> involved in selling it. But dont be a scumbag and try
> and screw his sales by blowing hot air.
> Sincerely
> DEAN
>
>
>
>
>
> --- Adam Hupe <raremeteorites_at_comcast.net> wrote:
>
> > On the subject of the Fukang Mutha Stone, how was
> > this legally exported from
> > China?
> >
> > Adam
> >
> >
> >
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