[meteorite-list] BCC "Meteorites" [was Milestones] PLEASE READ

From: McomeMeteorite Meteorite <meteorites_at_meteoritecentral.com>
Date: Tue Nov 23 08:07:53 2004
Message-ID: <BAY2-F2837F35EF19CCA2E6C71CFC0C70_at_phx.gbl>

I doubt many Dirk Ross write this....



>From: "S. Ray DeRusse" <srd_at_ispwest.com>
>To: geoking_at_notkin.net
>CC: meteorite-list_at_meteoritecentral.com
>Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] BCC "Meteorites" [was Milestones] PLEASE READ
>Date: Wed, 24 Nov 2004 06:20:16 -0600
>
>Greetings List;
>
> I would like respond to Mr. Notkin. Mr. Notkin you prove that if you wnat
>to get your facts straight you have to go to the source. Yes we did file a
>lawsuit sometime back against numerous individuals when we discovered they
>interfering with some others we were working with on the meteorite project.
>Its a well known fact that certain individuals have been operating against
>us.
> You obviously were lied to by your friend we sued. WE filed a motion to
>dismiss the lawsuit after two of the defendants agreed to complete their
>contracts with us. WE did it, no Judge dismissed anything. We filed a
>motion to dismiss without prejudice that means we can go back at anytime.
>Do you understand that? We instructed the Assistant Attorney General to
>draft it up, we signed it and filed it once two of the defendants came
>forward to spill the beans. We that means us Mr. Notkin.
> Now as far the samples, and being told nicely about anything. First of all
>if the samples were not authentic why would UT try to steal the ones that
>were in left in the lab with them? It was not until we blew the whistle on
>them that this controversy began to get out of hand. If you think that all
>scientists are honest and do not lie, cheat, and steal, having same,
>similar or different motives, Mr. Notkin I have news for you, you too are
>in living world that does not exist. I would hope that you know the
>difference between a typographical error and an actual misspelling, but for
>some people, thinking on their own is a lot of work. Good luck Mr. Notkin
>and I really mean that.
>
>Here's an entirely differenct viewpoint from Dirk Ross
>
>Dear Mr. DeRusse,
> I have been doing research since 1980. But, my last
>research was last year at Yamaguchi University in
>Japan.
> I have read most of your writings on the internet.
>You certainly are an educated person. I can
>understand your wish for students and scientists to
>think "outside" of the box. I agree with you on this
>point. I always ask and demand my students to think
>independently so that science can advance what is
>known.
> I apologize for my initial judgement about you
>before knowing more about the whole story. Keep up
>your search for fact. About truth, I leave that for
>God. Sincerely, Dirk Ross...Tokyo
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>
>S. Ray DeRusse and Bill Cutler
>www.bccmeteorites.com
>
>
>
>Notkin wrote:
>><x-rich><fixed>Jonathan posted:
>>
>>
>>> I'm back on the list. What is BCC meteorites about? I have heard a lot
>>>about it and read their site but I still don't understand. Odd.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>Dear Jonathan and Fellow Listees:
>>
>>
>>Jonathan, yes you are absolutely right. It is very "odd" and nobody else
>>understands their site either because their site is nonsense.
>>
>>
>>I would like all my fellow List members to be made aware of something
>>important: These BCC "Meteorites" characters filed an actual lawsuit
>>against a number of prominent, respected and very well-liked senior
>>meteoriticists here in the U.S (one of whom is a personal friend of mine).
>>The suit was -- of course -- thrown out by the judge for being utterly
>>frivolous. It's just too bad these clowns weren't heavily fined for
>>wasting court time.
>>
>>
>>BCC "Meteorites" seems to believe that there's some kind of high-level
>>conspiracy/cover-up going on between NASA and major meteoritical
>>institutions -- all because BCC "Meteorites" have been told (nicely and
>>repeatedly) that the junk items they dig out of their bog, or whatever, in
>>Texas are not actually fossilized alien brains, UFO warp core spare parts,
>>Lunar meteorites, Dick Tracy wrist watch radios, etc., but just plain old
>>dull terrestrial rocks. I think we all enjoy a good eccentric, and the
>>whole thing would have been somewhat amusing in a "Benny Hill" sort of way
>>if these guys hadn't been really nasty to some really nice people during
>>their imaginary scientific journey.
>>
>>
>>We have our squabbles on the List from time to time, but we are all united
>>in our interest in the SCIENCE of meteoritics. The
>>technobabble/gobbledygook pseudo-science offered up on the BCC
>>"Meteorites" website -- and written, I might add, in appalling elementary
>>school English so laden with spelling errors and grammatical mistakes that
>>you couldn't follow their argument even if it *were* sound -- should not
>>be allowed promotion here on the Meteorite List. Novice collectors, still
>>learning about meteorites, might be hoodwinked into believing some of the
>>fatuous claims that are made on the BCC website.
>>
>>
>>So, I strongly suggest that we -- as a community -- block the email
>>addresses of these guys DeRusse and Cutler immediately and permanently.
>>They just want attention, and the best way to eradicate this kind of fake
>>science rubbish is to ignore the perpetrators entirely. They'll likely get
>>bored and wander off to some UFO conspiracy theory/Creationist mailing
>>list of which -- unfortunately -- there are probably several. A request
>>from a few of you to List Moderator Art Jones (
>>listman_at_meteoritecentral.com ) to have them removed from the List wouldn't
>>hurt either.
>>
>>
>>Oh, and BTW, if you look at the first photo on their website, the guy with
>>the white gloves looks like "Dr. No." : )
>>
>>
>>
>>Not at all respectfully,
>>
>>
>>Geoff Notkin
>>
>>Science writer interested in actual science and real
>>meteorites</fixed></x-rich>
>>
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