[meteorite-list] willamette iron meteorite

From: Grant L. Elliott <gle_at_meteoritecentral.com>
Date: Tue Nov 23 09:01:25 2004
Message-ID: <001a01c4d164$bbec0b00$35d0fea9_at_yourah1qbb56u1>

Elton,
Well said!! From those of us who "might own" a small piece of this
meteorite/ artifact. I've never seen Beaver pelts used in trade-
Grant Elliott

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From: "E. L. Jones" <jonee_at_epix.net>
To: "Steve Arnold, Chicago!!!" <steve_arnol60120_at_yahoo.com>
Cc: <meteorite-list_at_meteoritecentral.com>
Sent: Tuesday, November 16, 2004 2:47 AM
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] willamette iron meteorite


>I doubt there is any that is legally available for collectors now that the
>Feds have stepped in. I am pretty sure all the Willamette meteorite is
>claimed and ratified by a US Federal Court as a native religious artifact
>by the consolidated tribes in Oregon and thus subject to return to them.
>They have claimed ownership of the <ahem>"main mass" in the New York
>Planetarium and in a legal agreement they have placed the main mass on loan
>rather than tear down the whole thing to get it out.
>
> If it just came from Europe-- Shouldn't it be seized in customs? Sure it
> is a ittsy bitty amount-- 45 grams as compared to the main mass but those
> Native Americans were pretty successful and almost made the City of New
> York tear down the planetarium. I don't think they would tear down your
> house , Steve. However now that they know you know where it is they will
> probably ask the FBI to seize it since it has been recognized in a US
> Court as a native artifact. But if it were me I'd go for it and fight
> them in court. You might fair better being a single individual rather
> than being the city of New York.
>
> You might be able to get the recognized owners to let you keep it on loan
> if you can trade them beaver pelts or something else they need. Maybe you
> could buy it and let the contact in Europe keep it for you and you can go
> visit it. I don't think the US law directly applies to Europeans. To get
> an artifact returned for overseas the owner has to go through a UN Agency
> and it would take a few years for them to act maybe.
>
> Good Luck Let us know how the trade goes.
> EJ
>
> Steve Arnold, Chicago!!! wrote:
>
>>Hi list.I need some info on the willamette meteorite.I know according to
>>meteorites A to z, IT SAYS,a IIIAB iron, found 1902, clackamas
>>co.,oregon.TKW is 14.100 kilo's.But what I need to know, is what is the
>>availability in collections around the world.I am making another major
>>trade from my collection, and I'll be getting a 45 gram slice of the
>>willamette iron.And no it is not shale.I have seen the actual piece.The
>>only history I know of this piece,is that it was in a major collection in
>>europe.And now resides up here in the states.If anyone can help please let
>>me know when you can.
>>
>> steve
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