[meteorite-list] Slightly OT - Latin Pronounciation Help

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From: Howard Wu <freewu2000_at_meteoritecentral.com>
Date: Thu Apr 22 10:31:24 2004
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Latin is a dead language for a reason.

The song is about a coachroach that is going through marijuana withdraws.

Ask a question about Dhofar orangettes, I get no answer. Make a crass comment about amputation by meteorite I'm popular. What a list...

Bring it on.

Howard

MexicoDoug_at_aol.com wrote:
Hola Rosie,

La Cucaracha is actually a quaint song about Cannabis sativa (Linnaeus, 1753: an interesting Weed); but la cucaracha is indeed a cockroach (Periplaneta americana: Linnaeus, 1758) and La cucaracha (Blesynski, 1966) is definitely a certain moth of the La genus:)

As an Odonatist you could ask a Lepidopterist for further clarification, though field studies are always another option, and while I see your point, a certain ode of the Pantala genus (sp.: Say, 1839) might be more pleasing to to the ear of fellow enthusiasts.

Now I'm off topic so I'll not elaborate:)

Saludos
Doug Dawn
Mexico

En un mensaje con fecha 02/18/2004 12:35:18 PM Mexico Standard Time, ltcrose_at_bellsouth.net escribe:

Asunto: Re: [meteorite-list] Slightly OT - Latin Pronounciation Help
Fecha: 02/18/2004 12:35:18 PM Mexico Standard Time
De: ltcrose_at_bellsouth.net
Para: MexicoDoug_at_aol.com, jeff@meteoritesaustralia.com, meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
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LOL

amo amas amat amamus amatis amant

I did my thesis on Pachydiplex longipennis :-)

But I think la cucuracha is a roach..

Rosie

----- Original Message -----
From: MexicoDoug_at_aol.com
To: jeff_at_meteoritesaustralia.com ; meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
Sent: Wednesday, February 18, 2004 8:38 AM
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Slightly OT - Latin Pronounciation Help

G'day,

When it comes to Latin in science, you really can't go wrong, no matter what anyone says, because the "rules" are not absolute, although some modern "experts" try to standardize pronunciation. This is mostly because scientific naming using Latin uses the English pronunciation of things like "Caesar" ==> pron. César. (Cesar w/ stress on "e"). Also if they are scientific names, the original language pronunciation must be conserved for imports like for the name of the Bessey's Cherry, "Prunus besseyi", or Farmer's Orchid, "Dendrobium farmeri", or the Fijian Snail, "Ba humbugi", or the moth "La cucuracha", look up the different species of the Gressittia genus if you have a sophomoric sense of humor, and figure out how to pronounce that one.

However, in Classical Latin (around the time of Christ), if that is your interest, pronunciation can be quite different, and Caesar is pronounced Kysar; the letter "v" is pronounced as "w"; get a copy of Vox Latina by Sidney Allen if you want to do it like it is thought the ancients did.

In two syllable words, the stress ("accent") is almost always on the initial syllable. If you have a short vowel (double consonant) in the second to last syllable in words of more than three syllables - i.e., short vowel sound in the second to last syllable, the stress is usually on the second to last syllable, but there are lots of exceptions derived from letters like th, ph, ch, etc. (this can be better appreciated when you keep in mind the th sound is from the single Greek letter theta, the ph is also the single letter "f" sound from Greek letter phi, and ch is still considered a single letter en español. On the oher hand the "x" is considered two consonants as it is pronounced "ks" and second to last syllable is the tendency producing a short vowel sound as in "Lexus-Nexus" or Texas, rather than TEEX-as; similarly the long sound in words like "pinus" which thankfully botanists say PYE-nis instead of PEE-nus, lu-PYE-nus instead of lu-PEE-nis.

This all seems close enough to on-list to me if you want to study place names of ancient meteorites for a good part of the then governed world, or old scientific descriptions of rocks and suspected falls.

Saludos
Doug Dawn
Mexico

En un mensaje con fecha 02/17/2004 10:45:58 PM Mexico Standard Time, jeff_at_meteoritesaustralia.com escribe:

Asunto: [meteorite-list] Slightly OT - Latin Pronounciation Help
Fecha: 02/17/2004 10:45:58 PM Mexico Standard Time
De: jeff_at_meteoritesaustralia.com
Para: meteorite-list_at_meteoritecentral.com
Enviado por Internet

G'day all,

Sorry for the slightly OT topic. In some of my meteorite readings I came across some Latin words and terms. I would like some help with pronouncing them and would certainly appreciate any help. If you can speak Latin could you please contact me off list?

Thanks,

Jeff Kuyken
I.M.C.A. #3085
www.meteorites.com.au
www.meteoritesaustralia.com

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<DIV>Latin is a dead language for a reason.</DIV>
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<DIV>The song is about a coachroach that is going through marijuana withdraws.</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>Ask a question about Dhofar orangettes, I get no answer. Make a crass comment about amputation by meteorite I'm popular. What a list...</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>Bring it on.</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>Howard</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV> MexicoDoug_at_aol.com wrote:</DIV>
<BLOCKQUOTE class=replbq style="PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: #1010ff 2px solid">Hola Rosie, La Cucaracha is actually a quaint song about Cannabis sativa (Linnaeus, 1753: an interesting Weed); but la cucaracha is indeed a cockroach (Periplaneta americana: Linnaeus, 1758) and La cucaracha (Blesynski, 1966) is definitely a certain moth of the La genus:) As an Odonatist you could ask a Lepidopterist for further clarification, though field studies are always another option, and while I see your point, a certain ode of the Pantala genus (sp.: Say, 1839) might be more pleasing to to the ear of fellow enthusiasts. Now I'm off topic so I'll not elaborate:) Saludos Doug Dawn Mexico En un mensaje con fecha 02/18/2004 12:35:18 PM Mexico Standard Time, ltcrose_at_bellsouth.net escribe: 
<BLOCKQUOTE style="PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px" TYPE="CITE">Asunto: Re: [meteorite-list] Slightly OT - Latin Pronounciation Help Fecha: 02/18/2004 12:35:18 PM Mexico Standard Time De: <A href="mailto:ltcrose_at_bellsouth.net">ltcrose@bellsouth.net</A> Para: <A href="mailto:MexicoDoug@aol.com">MexicoDoug@aol.com</A>, <A href="mailto:jeff@meteoritesaustralia.com">jeff@meteoritesaustralia.com</A>, <A href="mailto:meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com">meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com</A> Enviado por Internet LOL  amo amas amat amamus amatis amant   I did my thesis on Pachydiplex longipennis :-)   But I think la cucuracha is a roach..  
 Rosie 
<BLOCKQUOTE style="PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px" TYPE="CITE">----- Original Message ----- From: <A href="mailto:MexicoDoug_at_aol.com">MexicoDoug@aol.com</A> To: <A href="mailto:jeff@meteoritesaustralia.com">jeff@meteoritesaustralia.com</A> ; <A href="mailto:meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com">meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com</A> Sent: Wednesday, February 18, 2004 8:38 AM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Slightly OT - Latin Pronounciation Help G'day, When it comes to Latin in science, you really can't go wrong, no matter what anyone says, because the "rules" are not absolute, although some modern "experts" try to standardize pronunciation.  This is mostly because scientific naming using Latin uses the English pronunciation of things like "Caesar" ==> pron. César. (Cesar w/ stress on "e").  Also if they are scientific names, the original language
pronunciation must be conserved for imports like for the name of the Bessey's Cherry, "Prunus besseyi", or Farmer's Orchid, "Dendrobium farmeri", or the Fijian Snail, "Ba humbugi", or the moth "La cucuracha", look up the different species of the Gressittia genus if you have a sophomoric sense of humor, and figure out how to pronounce that one. However, in Classical Latin (around the time of Christ), if that is your interest, pronunciation can be quite different, and Caesar is pronounced Kysar; the letter "v" is pronounced as "w"; get a copy of Vox Latina by Sidney Allen if you want to do it like it is thought the ancients did. In two syllable words, the stress ("accent") is almost always on the initial syllable.  If you have a short vowel (double consonant) in the second to last syllable in words of more than three syllables - i.e., short vowel sound in the second to last syllable, the stress is usually on the second to last syllable, but there are lots of
exceptions derived from letters like th, ph, ch, etc. (this can be better appreciated when you keep in mind the th sound is from the single Greek letter theta, the ph is also the single letter "f" sound from Greek letter phi, and ch is still considered a single letter en español.  On the oher hand the "x" is considered two consonants as it is pronounced "ks" and second to last syllable is the tendency producing a short vowel sound as in "Lexus-Nexus" or Texas, rather than TEEX-as; similarly the long sound in words like "pinus" which thankfully botanists say PYE-nis instead of PEE-nus, lu-PYE-nus instead of lu-PEE-nis. This all seems close enough to on-list to me if you want to study place names of ancient meteorites for a good part of the then governed world, or old scientific descriptions of rocks and suspected falls. Saludos Doug Dawn Mexico En un mensaje con fecha 02/17/2004 10:45:58 PM Mexico Standard Time, jeff_at_meteoritesaustralia.com
escribe: 
<BLOCKQUOTE style="PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px" TYPE="CITE">Asunto: [meteorite-list] Slightly OT - Latin Pronounciation Help Fecha: 02/17/2004 10:45:58 PM Mexico Standard Time De: <A href="mailto:jeff_at_meteoritesaustralia.com">jeff@meteoritesaustralia.com</A> Para: <A href="mailto:meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com">meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com</A> Enviado por Internet G'day all, Sorry for the slightly OT topic. In some of my meteorite readings I came across some Latin words and terms. I would like some help with pronouncing them and would certainly appreciate any help. If you can speak Latin could you please contact
me off list? Thanks, Jeff Kuyken I.M.C.A. #3085 <A href="http://www.meteorites.com.au/">www.meteorites.com.au</A> <A href="http://www.meteoritesaustralia.com/">www.meteoritesaustralia.com</A> </BLOCKQUOTE> </BLOCKQUOTE> </BLOCKQUOTE> </BLOCKQUOTE><hr size=1> <a href="http://uk.rd.yahoo.com/mail/tagline_messenger/*http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com">
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