[meteorite-list] Slightly OT - Latin Pronounciation Help

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From: MexicoDoug_at_aol.com <MexicoDoug_at_meteoritecentral.com>
Date: Thu Apr 22 10:31:24 2004
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Hola Rosie,

La Cucaracha is actually a quaint song about Cannabis sativa (Linnaeus, 1753=
:=20
an interesting Weed); but la cucaracha is indeed a cockroach (Periplaneta=20
americana: Linnaeus, 1758) and La cucaracha (Blesynski, 1966) is definitely=20=
a=20
certain moth of the La genus:)

As an Odonatist you could ask a Lepidopterist for further clarification,=20
though field studies are always another option, and while I see your point,=20=
a=20
certain ode of the Pantala genus (sp.: Say, 1839) might be more pleasing to=20=
to the=20
ear of fellow enthusiasts.

Now I'm off topic so I'll not elaborate:)

Saludos
Doug Dawn
Mexico

En un mensaje con fecha 02/18/2004 12:35:18 PM Mexico Standard Time,=20
ltcrose_at_bellsouth.net escribe:

> Asunto: Re: [meteorite-list] Slightly OT - Latin Pronounciation Help=20
> Fecha: 02/18/2004 12:35:18 PM Mexico Standard Time
> De: ltcrose_at_bellsouth.net
> Para: MexicoDoug_at_aol.com, jeff@meteoritesaustralia.com,=20
> meteorite-list_at_meteoritecentral.com
> Enviado por Internet=20
>=20
>=20
>=20
> LOL =20
> =20
> amo amas amat amamus amatis amant
> =20
> I did my thesis on Pachydiplex longipennis :-)
> =20
> But I think la cucuracha is a roach..
> =20
> Rosie
> =20
> >> ----- Original Message -----=20
>> From: MexicoDoug_at_aol.com=20
>> To: jeff_at_meteoritesaustralia.com ; meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com=20
>> Sent: Wednesday, February 18, 2004 8:38 AM
>> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Slightly OT - Latin Pronounciation Help
>> =20
>>=20
>> G'day,
>>=20
>> When it comes to Latin in science, you really can't go wrong, no matter=20
>> what anyone says, because the "rules" are not absolute, although some mod=
ern=20
>> "experts" try to standardize pronunciation. This is mostly because scien=
tific=20
>> naming using Latin uses the English pronunciation of things like "Caesar"=
=20
>> =3D=3D> pron. C=E9sar. (Cesar w/ stress on "e"). Also if they are scient=
ific=20
>> names, the original language pronunciation must be conserved for imports=20=
like for=20
>> the name of the Bessey's Cherry, "Prunus besseyi", or Farmer's Orchid,=20
>> "Dendrobium farmeri", or the Fijian Snail, "Ba humbugi", or the moth "La=20
>> cucuracha", look up the different species of the Gressittia genus if you=20=
have a=20
>> sophomoric sense of humor, and figure out how to pronounce that one.
>>=20
>> However, in Classical Latin (around the time of Christ), if that is your=20
>> interest, pronunciation can be quite different, and Caesar is pronounced=20
>> Kysar; the letter "v" is pronounced as "w"; get a copy of Vox Latina by S=
idney=20
>> Allen if you want to do it like it is thought the ancients did.
>>=20
>> In two syllable words, the stress ("accent") is almost always on the=20
>> initial syllable. If you have a short vowel (double consonant) in the se=
cond to=20
>> last syllable in words of more than three syllables - i.e., short vowel s=
ound=20
>> in the second to last syllable, the stress is usually on the second to la=
st=20
>> syllable, but there are lots of exceptions derived from letters like th,=20
>> ph, ch, etc. (this can be better appreciated when you keep in mind the th=
=20
>> sound is from the single Greek letter theta, the ph is also the single le=
tter=20
>> "f" sound from Greek letter phi, and ch is still considered a single lett=
er en=20
>> espa=F1ol. On the oher hand the "x" is considered two consonants as it i=
s=20
>> pronounced "ks" and second to last syllable is the tendency producing a s=
hort=20
>> vowel sound as in "Lexus-Nexus" or Texas, rather than TEEX-as; similarly=20=
the=20
>> long sound in words like "pinus" which thankfully botanists say PYE-nis=20
>> instead of PEE-nus, lu-PYE-nus instead of lu-PEE-nis.
>>=20
>> This all seems close enough to on-list to me if you want to study place=20
>> names of ancient meteorites for a good part of the then governed world, o=
r old=20
>> scientific descriptions of rocks and suspected falls.
>>=20
>> Saludos
>> Doug Dawn
>> Mexico
>>=20
>> En un mensaje con fecha 02/17/2004 10:45:58 PM Mexico Standard Time,=20
>> jeff_at_meteoritesaustralia.com escribe:
>>=20
>> >>> Asunto: [meteorite-list] Slightly OT - Latin Pronounciation Help=20
>>> Fecha: 02/17/2004 10:45:58 PM Mexico Standard Time
>>> De: jeff_at_meteoritesaustralia.com
>>> Para: meteorite-list_at_meteoritecentral.com
>>> Enviado por Internet=20
>>>=20
>>> G'day all,
>>> =20
>>> Sorry for the slightly OT topic. In some of my meteorite readings I came=
=20
>>> across some Latin words and terms. I would like some help with pronounci=
ng=20
>>> them and would certainly appreciate any help. If you can speak Latin cou=
ld=20
>>> you please contact me off list?
>>> =20
>>> Thanks,
>>> =20
>>> Jeff Kuyken
>>> I.M.C.A. #3085
>>> www.meteorites.com.au
>>> www.meteoritesaustralia.com
>>>=20
>>=20
>=20

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<HTML><HTML>Hola Rosie, 
 
La Cucaracha is actually a quaint song about Cannabis sativa (Linnaeus, 1753=
: an interesting Weed); but la cucaracha is indeed a cockroach (Periplaneta=20=
americana: Linnaeus, 1758) and La cucaracha (Blesynski, 1966) is definitely=20=
a certain moth of the La genus:) 
 
As an Odonatist you could ask a Lepidopterist for further clarification, tho=
ugh field studies are always another option, and while I see your point, a c=
ertain ode of the Pantala genus (sp.: Say, 1839) might be more pleasing to t=
o the ear of fellow enthusiasts. 
 
Now I'm off topic so I'll not elaborate:) 
 
Saludos 
Doug Dawn 
Mexico 
 
En un mensaje con fecha 02/18/2004 12:35:18 PM Mexico Standard Time, ltcrose=
_at_bellsouth.net escribe: 
 
<BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=3DCITE style=3D"BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; MARGIN-LEFT=
: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px">Asunto: Re: [meteorite-list=
] Slightly OT - Latin Pronounciation Help 
Fecha: 02/18/2004 12:35:18 PM Mexico Standard Time 
De: <A HREF=3D"mailto:ltcrose_at_bellsouth.net">ltcrose@bellsouth.net</A> 
Para: <A HREF=3D"mailto:MexicoDoug_at_aol.com">MexicoDoug@aol.com</A>, <A HREF=
=3D"mailto:jeff_at_meteoritesaustralia.com">jeff@meteoritesaustralia.com</A>, <=
A HREF=3D"mailto:meteorite-list_at_meteoritecentral.com">meteorite-list@meteori=
tecentral.com</A> 
Enviado por Internet 
 
 
 
LOL  
 
amo amas amat amamus amatis amant 
  
I did my thesis on Pachydiplex longipennis :-) 
  
But I think la cucuracha is a roach.. 
  
Rosie 
 
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From: <A HREF=3D"mailto:MexicoDoug_at_aol.com">MexicoDoug@aol.com</A> <B=
R>
To: <A HREF=3D"mailto:jeff_at_meteoritesaustralia.com">jeff@meteoritesau=
stralia.com</A> ; <A HREF=3D"mailto:meteorite-list_at_meteoritecentral.com">met=
eorite-list_at_meteoritecentral.com</A> 
Sent: Wednesday, February 18, 2004 8:38 AM 
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Slightly OT - Latin Pronounciation Hel=
p 
 
 
G'day, 
 
When it comes to Latin in science, you really can't go wrong, no matter what=
anyone says, because the "rules" are not absolute, although some modern "ex=
perts" try to standardize pronunciation.  This is mostly because scient=
ific naming using Latin uses the English pronunciation of things like "Caesa=
r" =3D=3D> pron. C=E9sar. (Cesar w/ stress on "e").  Also if they ar=
e scientific names, the original language pronunciation must be conserved fo=
r imports like for the name of the Bessey's Cherry, "Prunus besseyi", or Far=
mer's Orchid, "Dendrobium farmeri", or the Fijian Snail, "Ba humbugi", or th=
e moth "La cucuracha", look up the different species of the Gressittia genus=
if you have a sophomoric sense of humor, and figure out how to pronounce th=
at one. 
 
However, in Classical Latin (around the time of Christ), if that is your int=
erest, pronunciation can be quite different, and Caesar is pronounced Kysar;=
the letter "v" is pronounced as "w"; get a copy of Vox Latina by Sidney All=
en if you want to do it like it is thought the ancients did. 
 
In two syllable words, the stress ("accent") is almost always on the initial=
syllable.  If you have a short vowel (double consonant) in the second=20=
to last syllable in words of more than three syllables - i.e., short vowel s=
ound in the second to last syllable, the stress is usually on the second to=20=
last syllable, but there are lots of exceptions derived from letters like th=
, ph, ch, etc. (this can be better appreciated when you keep in mind the th=20=
sound is from the single Greek letter theta, the ph is also the single lette=
r "f" sound from Greek letter phi, and ch is still considered a single lette=
r en espa=F1ol.  On the oher hand the "x" is considered two consonants=20=
as it is pronounced "ks" and second to last syllable is the tendency produci=
ng a short vowel sound as in "Lexus-Nexus" or Texas, rather than TEEX-as; si=
milarly the long sound in words like "pinus" which thankfully botanists say=20=
PYE-nis instead of PEE-nus, lu-PYE-nus instead of lu-PEE-nis. 
 
This all seems close enough to on-list to me if you want to study place name=
s of ancient meteorites for a good part of the then governed world, or old s=
cientific descriptions of rocks and suspected falls. 
 
Saludos 
Doug Dawn 
Mexico 
 
En un mensaje con fecha 02/17/2004 10:45:58 PM Mexico Standard Time, jeff_at_me=
teoritesaustralia.com escribe: 
 
<BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=3DCITE style=3D"BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; MARGIN-LEFT=
: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px">Asunto: [meteorite-list] Sli=
ghtly OT - Latin Pronounciation Help 
Fecha: 02/17/2004 10:45:58 PM Mexico Standard Time 
De: <A HREF=3D"mailto:jeff_at_meteoritesaustralia.com">jeff@meteoritesaustralia=
.com</A> 
Para: <A HREF=3D"mailto:meteorite-list_at_meteoritecentral.com">meteorite-list@=
meteoritecentral.com</A> 
Enviado por Internet 
 
G'day all, 
 
Sorry for the slightly OT topic. In some of my meteorite readings I came ac=
ross some Latin words and terms. I would like some help with pronouncing the=
m and would certainly appreciate any help. If you can speak Latin could you=20=
please contact me off list? 
 
Thanks, 
 
Jeff Kuyken 
I.M.C.A. #3085 
<A HREF=3D"http://www.meteorites.com.au/">www.meteorites.com.au</A> 
<A HREF=3D"http://www.meteoritesaustralia.com/">www.meteoritesaustralia.com<=
/A> 
</BLOCKQUOTE> 
</BLOCKQUOTE> 
</BLOCKQUOTE> 
 
 
 
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