[meteorite-list] Slightly OT - Latin Pronounciation Help
From: Rosemary Hackney <ltcrose_at_meteoritecentral.com>
Date: Thu Apr 22 10:31:24 2004 Message-ID: <002f01c3f698$8abb52e0$1f77d6d1_at_default> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_002C_01C3F666.3E0025C0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Tuffa I have.. orangettes.. I don't know. Rosie ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Howard Wu=20 To: MexicoDoug_at_aol.com ; ltcrose@bellsouth.net=20 Cc: meteorite-list_at_meteoritecentral.com=20 Sent: Wednesday, February 18, 2004 3:03 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Slightly OT - Latin Pronounciation Help Latin is a dead language for a reason. The song is about a coachroach that is going through marijuana = withdraws. Ask a question about Dhofar orangettes, I get no answer. Make a crass = comment about amputation by meteorite I'm popular. What a list... Bring it on. Howard MexicoDoug_at_aol.com wrote: Hola Rosie, La Cucaracha is actually a quaint song about Cannabis sativa = (Linnaeus, 1753: an interesting Weed); but la cucaracha is indeed a = cockroach (Periplaneta americana: Linnaeus, 1758) and La cucaracha = (Blesynski, 1966) is definitely a certain moth of the La genus:) As an Odonatist you could ask a Lepidopterist for further = clarification, though field studies are always another option, and while = I see your point, a certain ode of the Pantala genus (sp.: Say, 1839) = might be more pleasing to to the ear of fellow enthusiasts. Now I'm off topic so I'll not elaborate:) Saludos Doug Dawn Mexico En un mensaje con fecha 02/18/2004 12:35:18 PM Mexico Standard Time, = ltcrose_at_bellsouth.net escribe: Asunto: Re: [meteorite-list] Slightly OT - Latin Pronounciation = Help=20 Fecha: 02/18/2004 12:35:18 PM Mexico Standard Time De: ltcrose_at_bellsouth.net Para: MexicoDoug_at_aol.com, jeff@meteoritesaustralia.com, = meteorite-list_at_meteoritecentral.com Enviado por Internet=20 LOL =20 amo amas amat amamus amatis amant =20 I did my thesis on Pachydiplex longipennis :-) =20 But I think la cucuracha is a roach.. =20 Rosie ----- Original Message -----=20 From: MexicoDoug_at_aol.com=20 To: jeff_at_meteoritesaustralia.com ; = meteorite-list_at_meteoritecentral.com=20 Sent: Wednesday, February 18, 2004 8:38 AM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Slightly OT - Latin Pronounciation = Help G'day, When it comes to Latin in science, you really can't go wrong, no = matter what anyone says, because the "rules" are not absolute, although = some modern "experts" try to standardize pronunciation. This is mostly = because scientific naming using Latin uses the English pronunciation of = things like "Caesar" =3D=3D> pron. C=E9sar. (Cesar w/ stress on "e"). = Also if they are scientific names, the original language pronunciation = must be conserved for imports like for the name of the Bessey's Cherry, = "Prunus besseyi", or Farmer's Orchid, "Dendrobium farmeri", or the = Fijian Snail, "Ba humbugi", or the moth "La cucuracha", look up the = different species of the Gressittia genus if you have a sophomoric sense = of humor, and figure out how to pronounce that one. However, in Classical Latin (around the time of Christ), if that = is your interest, pronunciation can be quite different, and Caesar is = pronounced Kysar; the letter "v" is pronounced as "w"; get a copy of Vox = Latina by Sidney Allen if you want to do it like it is thought the = ancients did. In two syllable words, the stress ("accent") is almost always on = the initial syllable. If you have a short vowel (double consonant) in = the second to last syllable in words of more than three syllables - = i.e., short vowel sound in the second to last syllable, the stress is = usually on the second to last syllable, but there are lots of exceptions = derived from letters like th, ph, ch, etc. (this can be better = appreciated when you keep in mind the th sound is from the single Greek = letter theta, the ph is also the single letter "f" sound from Greek = letter phi, and ch is still considered a single letter en espa=F1ol. On = the oher hand the "x" is considered two consonants as it is pronounced = "ks" and second to last syllable is the tendency producing a short vowel = sound as in "Lexus-Nexus" or Texas, rather than TEEX-as; similarly the = long sound in words like "pinus" which thankfully botanists say PYE-nis = instead of PEE-nus, lu-PYE-nus instead of lu-PEE-nis. This all seems close enough to on-list to me if you want to = study place names of ancient meteorites for a good part of the then = governed world, or old scientific descriptions of rocks and suspected = falls. Saludos Doug Dawn Mexico En un mensaje con fecha 02/17/2004 10:45:58 PM Mexico Standard = Time, jeff_at_meteoritesaustralia.com escribe: Asunto: [meteorite-list] Slightly OT - Latin Pronounciation = Help=20 Fecha: 02/17/2004 10:45:58 PM Mexico Standard Time De: jeff_at_meteoritesaustralia.com Para: meteorite-list_at_meteoritecentral.com Enviado por Internet=20 G'day all, Sorry for the slightly OT topic. In some of my meteorite = readings I came across some Latin words and terms. I would like some = help with pronouncing them and would certainly appreciate any help. If = you can speak Latin could you please contact me off list? Thanks, Jeff Kuyken I.M.C.A. #3085 www.meteorites.com.au www.meteoritesaustralia.com -------------------------------------------------------------------------= ----- Yahoo! Messenger - Communicate instantly..."Ping" your friends today! = Download Messenger Now ------=_NextPart_000_002C_01C3F666.3E0025C0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable <!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional//EN"> <HTML><HEAD> <META http-equiv=3DContent-Type content=3D"text/html; = charset=3Diso-8859-1"> <META content=3D"MSHTML 6.00.2800.1400" name=3DGENERATOR> <STYLE></STYLE> </HEAD> <BODY bgColor=3D#ffffff> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Tuffa I have.. orangettes.. I don't=20 know.</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Rosie</FONT></DIV> <BLOCKQUOTE=20 style=3D"PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; = BORDER-LEFT: #000000 2px solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px"> <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- </DIV> <DIV=20 style=3D"BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: = black"><B>From:</B>=20 <A title=3Dfreewu2000_at_yahoo.com = href=3D"mailto:freewu2000_at_yahoo.com">Howard Wu</A>=20 </DIV> <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A = title=3DMexicoDoug_at_aol.com=20 href=3D"mailto:MexicoDoug_at_aol.com">MexicoDoug@aol.com</A> ; <A=20 title=3Dltcrose_at_bellsouth.net=20 href=3D"mailto:ltcrose_at_bellsouth.net">ltcrose@bellsouth.net</A> </DIV> <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Cc:</B> <A=20 title=3Dmeteorite-list_at_meteoritecentral.com=20 = href=3D"mailto:meteorite-list_at_meteoritecentral.com">meteorite-list@meteor= itecentral.com</A>=20 </DIV> <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Wednesday, February 18, = 2004 3:03=20 PM</DIV> <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: [meteorite-list] = Slightly OT=20 - Latin Pronounciation Help</DIV> <DIV><BR></DIV> <DIV>Latin is a dead language for a reason.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>The song is about a coachroach that is going through marijuana=20 withdraws.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Ask a question about Dhofar orangettes, I get no answer. = Make=20 a crass comment about amputation by meteorite I'm popular. What a = list...</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Bring it on.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Howard</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV><BR><BR><B><I><A=20 href=3D"mailto:MexicoDoug_at_aol.com">MexicoDoug@aol.com</A></I></B> = wrote:</DIV> <BLOCKQUOTE class=3Dreplbq=20 style=3D"PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: #1010ff 2px = solid"><FONT=20 face=3Darial,helvetica><FONT lang=3D0 face=3DArial size=3D2 = PTSIZE=3D"10"=20 FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF">Hola Rosie,<BR><BR>La Cucaracha is actually a = quaint song=20 about Cannabis sativa (Linnaeus, 1753: an interesting Weed); but la=20 cucaracha is indeed a cockroach (Periplaneta americana: Linnaeus, = 1758) and=20 La cucaracha (Blesynski, 1966) is definitely a certain moth of the = La=20 genus:)<BR><BR>As an Odonatist you could ask a Lepidopterist for = further=20 clarification, though field studies are always another option, and = while I=20 see your point, a certain ode of the Pantala genus (sp.: Say, 1839) = might be=20 more pleasing to to the ear of fellow enthusiasts.<BR><BR>Now I'm = off topic=20 so I'll not elaborate:)<BR><BR>Saludos<BR>Doug = Dawn<BR>Mexico<BR><BR>En un=20 mensaje con fecha 02/18/2004 12:35:18 PM Mexico Standard Time,=20 ltcrose_at_bellsouth.net escribe:<BR><BR> <BLOCKQUOTE=20 style=3D"PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff = 2px solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px"=20 TYPE=3D"CITE"></FONT><FONT lang=3D0 style=3D"BACKGROUND-COLOR: = #ffffff"=20 face=3DArial color=3D#000000 size=3D3 PTSIZE=3D"12" = FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF"=20 BACK=3D"#ffffff">Asunto: <B>Re: [meteorite-list] Slightly OT - = Latin=20 Pronounciation Help </B><BR>Fecha: 02/18/2004 12:35:18 PM Mexico = Standard=20 Time<BR>De: <A=20 = href=3D"mailto:ltcrose_at_bellsouth.net">ltcrose@bellsouth.net</A><BR>Para: = <A=20 href=3D"mailto:MexicoDoug_at_aol.com">MexicoDoug@aol.com</A>, <A=20 = href=3D"mailto:jeff_at_meteoritesaustralia.com">jeff@meteoritesaustralia.com= </A>,=20 <A=20 = href=3D"mailto:meteorite-list_at_meteoritecentral.com">meteorite-list@meteor= itecentral.com</A><BR><I>Enviado=20 por Internet </I><BR><BR><BR><BR></FONT><FONT lang=3D0=20 style=3D"BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" face=3DArial color=3D#000000 = size=3D2=20 PTSIZE=3D"10" FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" BACK=3D"#ffffff">LOL = </FONT><FONT=20 lang=3D0 style=3D"BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" face=3DArial = color=3D#000000 size=3D3=20 PTSIZE=3D"12" FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" = BACK=3D"#ffffff"><BR><BR></FONT><FONT lang=3D0=20 style=3D"BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" face=3DArial color=3D#000000 = size=3D2=20 PTSIZE=3D"10" FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" BACK=3D"#ffffff">amo amas amat = amamus amatis=20 amant</FONT><FONT lang=3D0 style=3D"BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" = face=3DArial=20 color=3D#000000 size=3D3 PTSIZE=3D"12" FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF"=20 BACK=3D"#ffffff"><BR> <BR></FONT><FONT lang=3D0=20 style=3D"BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" face=3DArial color=3D#000000 = size=3D2=20 PTSIZE=3D"10" FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" BACK=3D"#ffffff">I did my = thesis on=20 Pachydiplex longipennis :-)</FONT><FONT lang=3D0=20 style=3D"BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" face=3DArial color=3D#000000 = size=3D3=20 PTSIZE=3D"12" FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" BACK=3D"#ffffff"><BR> = <BR></FONT><FONT=20 lang=3D0 style=3D"BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" face=3DArial = color=3D#000000 size=3D2=20 PTSIZE=3D"10" FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" BACK=3D"#ffffff">But I think la = cucuracha is=20 a roach..</FONT><FONT lang=3D0 style=3D"BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" = face=3DArial=20 color=3D#000000 size=3D3 PTSIZE=3D"12" FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF"=20 BACK=3D"#ffffff"><BR> <BR></FONT><FONT lang=3D0=20 style=3D"BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" face=3DArial color=3D#000000 = size=3D2=20 PTSIZE=3D"10" FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" = BACK=3D"#ffffff">Rosie</FONT><FONT lang=3D0=20 style=3D"BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" face=3DArial color=3D#000000 = size=3D3=20 PTSIZE=3D"12" FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" = BACK=3D"#ffffff"><BR></FONT><FONT lang=3D0=20 style=3D"BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" face=3DArial color=3D#000000 = size=3D2=20 PTSIZE=3D"10" FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" BACK=3D"#ffffff"><BR> <BLOCKQUOTE=20 style=3D"PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff = 2px solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px"=20 TYPE=3D"CITE">----- Original Message ----- <BR><B>From:</B> <A=20 href=3D"mailto:MexicoDoug_at_aol.com">MexicoDoug@aol.com</A> = <BR><B>To:</B>=20 <A=20 = href=3D"mailto:jeff_at_meteoritesaustralia.com">jeff@meteoritesaustralia.com= </A>=20 ; <A=20 = href=3D"mailto:meteorite-list_at_meteoritecentral.com">meteorite-list@meteor= itecentral.com</A>=20 <BR><B>Sent:</B> Wednesday, February 18, 2004 8:38 = AM<BR><B>Subject:</B>=20 Re: [meteorite-list] Slightly OT - Latin Pronounciation=20 Help<BR><BR><BR>G'day,<BR><BR>When it comes to Latin in science, = you=20 really can't go wrong, no matter what anyone says, because the = "rules"=20 are not absolute, although some modern "experts" try to = standardize=20 pronunciation. This is mostly because scientific naming = using=20 Latin uses the English pronunciation of things like "Caesar" = =3D=3D>=20 pron. C=E9sar. (Cesar w/ stress on "e"). Also if they are = scientific=20 names, the original language pronunciation must be conserved for = imports=20 like for the name of the Bessey's Cherry, "Prunus besseyi", or = Farmer's=20 Orchid, "Dendrobium farmeri", or the Fijian Snail, "Ba humbugi", = or the=20 moth "La cucuracha", look up the different species of the = Gressittia=20 genus if you have a sophomoric sense of humor, and figure out = how to=20 pronounce that one.<BR><BR>However, in Classical Latin (around = the time=20 of Christ), if that is your interest, pronunciation can be quite = different, and Caesar is pronounced Kysar; the letter "v" is = pronounced=20 as "w"; get a copy of Vox Latina by Sidney Allen if you want to = do it=20 like it is thought the ancients did.<BR><BR>In two syllable = words, the=20 stress ("accent") is almost always on the initial = syllable. If you=20 have a short vowel (double consonant) in the second to last = syllable in=20 words of more than three syllables - i.e., short vowel sound in = the=20 second to last syllable, the stress is usually on the second to = last=20 syllable, but there are lots of exceptions derived from letters = like th,=20 ph, ch, etc. (this can be better appreciated when you keep in = mind the=20 th sound is from the single Greek letter theta, the ph is also = the=20 single letter "f" sound from Greek letter phi, and ch is still=20 considered a single letter en espa=F1ol. On the oher hand = the "x" is=20 considered two consonants as it is pronounced "ks" and second to = last=20 syllable is the tendency producing a short vowel sound as in=20 "Lexus-Nexus" or Texas, rather than TEEX-as; similarly the long = sound in=20 words like "pinus" which thankfully botanists say PYE-nis = instead of=20 PEE-nus, lu-PYE-nus instead of lu-PEE-nis.<BR><BR>This all seems = close=20 enough to on-list to me if you want to study place names of = ancient=20 meteorites for a good part of the then governed world, or old = scientific=20 descriptions of rocks and suspected = falls.<BR><BR>Saludos<BR>Doug=20 Dawn<BR>Mexico<BR><BR>En un mensaje con fecha 02/17/2004 = 10:45:58 PM=20 Mexico Standard Time, jeff_at_meteoritesaustralia.com = escribe:<BR><BR> <BLOCKQUOTE=20 style=3D"PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: = #0000ff 2px solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px"=20 TYPE=3D"CITE">Asunto: <B>[meteorite-list] Slightly OT - Latin=20 Pronounciation Help </B><BR>Fecha: 02/17/2004 10:45:58 PM = Mexico=20 Standard Time<BR>De: <A=20 = href=3D"mailto:jeff_at_meteoritesaustralia.com">jeff@meteoritesaustralia.com= </A><BR>Para:=20 <A=20 = href=3D"mailto:meteorite-list_at_meteoritecentral.com">meteorite-list@meteor= itecentral.com</A><BR><I>Enviado=20 por Internet </I><BR><BR>G'day all,</FONT><FONT lang=3D0=20 style=3D"BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" face=3DArial = color=3D#000000 size=3D3=20 PTSIZE=3D"12" FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" = BACK=3D"#ffffff"><BR><BR></FONT><FONT=20 lang=3D0 style=3D"BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" face=3DArial = color=3D#000000=20 size=3D2 PTSIZE=3D"10" FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" = BACK=3D"#ffffff">Sorry for the=20 slightly OT topic. In some of my meteorite readings I came = across some=20 Latin words and terms. I would like some help with pronouncing = them=20 and would certainly appreciate any help. If you can speak = Latin could=20 you please contact me off list?</FONT><FONT lang=3D0=20 style=3D"BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" face=3DArial = color=3D#000000 size=3D3=20 PTSIZE=3D"12" FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" = BACK=3D"#ffffff"><BR><BR></FONT><FONT=20 lang=3D0 style=3D"BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" face=3DArial = color=3D#000000=20 size=3D2 PTSIZE=3D"10" FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF"=20 BACK=3D"#ffffff">Thanks,</FONT><FONT lang=3D0=20 style=3D"BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" face=3DArial = color=3D#000000 size=3D3=20 PTSIZE=3D"12" FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" = BACK=3D"#ffffff"><BR><BR></FONT><FONT=20 lang=3D0 style=3D"BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" face=3DArial = color=3D#000000=20 size=3D2 PTSIZE=3D"10" FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" = BACK=3D"#ffffff">Jeff=20 Kuyken<BR>I.M.C.A. #3085<BR><A=20 = href=3D"http://www.meteorites.com.au/">www.meteorites.com.au</A><BR><A=20 = href=3D"http://www.meteoritesaustralia.com/">www.meteoritesaustralia.com<= /A></FONT><FONT=20 lang=3D0 style=3D"BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" face=3DArial = color=3D#000000=20 size=3D3 PTSIZE=3D"12" FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF"=20 BACK=3D"#ffffff"><BR></BLOCKQUOTE></FONT><FONT lang=3D0=20 style=3D"BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" face=3Darial color=3D#000000 = size=3D2=20 PTSIZE=3D"10" FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF"=20 = BACK=3D"#ffffff"><BR></BLOCKQUOTE><BR></BLOCKQUOTE><BR><BR><BR><BR></FONT= ></BLOCKQUOTE></FONT> <P> <HR SIZE=3D1> <FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><A=20 = href=3D"http://uk.rd.yahoo.com/mail/tagline_messenger/*http://uk.messenge= r.yahoo.com"><B>Yahoo!=20 Messenger</B></A> - Communicate instantly..."Ping" your friends today! = <A=20 = href=3D"http://uk.rd.yahoo.com/mail/tagline_messenger/*http://uk.messenge= r.yahoo.com/download/index.html"><STRONG>Download=20 Messenger Now</STRONG></A></FONT></BLOCKQUOTE></BODY></HTML> ------=_NextPart_000_002C_01C3F666.3E0025C0-- Received on Wed 18 Feb 2004 10:29:07 PM PST |
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