[meteorite-list] Slightly OT - Latin Pronounciation Help

From: Rosemary Hackney <ltcrose_at_meteoritecentral.com>
Date: Thu Apr 22 10:31:24 2004
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Tuffa I have.. orangettes.. I don't know.

Rosie
  ----- Original Message -----=20
  From: Howard Wu=20
  To: MexicoDoug_at_aol.com ; ltcrose@bellsouth.net=20
  Cc: meteorite-list_at_meteoritecentral.com=20
  Sent: Wednesday, February 18, 2004 3:03 PM
  Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Slightly OT - Latin Pronounciation Help


  Latin is a dead language for a reason.

  The song is about a coachroach that is going through marijuana =
withdraws.

  Ask a question about Dhofar orangettes, I get no answer. Make a crass =
comment about amputation by meteorite I'm popular. What a list...

  Bring it on.

  Howard



  MexicoDoug_at_aol.com wrote:
    Hola Rosie,

    La Cucaracha is actually a quaint song about Cannabis sativa =
(Linnaeus, 1753: an interesting Weed); but la cucaracha is indeed a =
cockroach (Periplaneta americana: Linnaeus, 1758) and La cucaracha =
(Blesynski, 1966) is definitely a certain moth of the La genus:)

    As an Odonatist you could ask a Lepidopterist for further =
clarification, though field studies are always another option, and while =
I see your point, a certain ode of the Pantala genus (sp.: Say, 1839) =
might be more pleasing to to the ear of fellow enthusiasts.

    Now I'm off topic so I'll not elaborate:)

    Saludos
    Doug Dawn
    Mexico

    En un mensaje con fecha 02/18/2004 12:35:18 PM Mexico Standard Time, =
ltcrose_at_bellsouth.net escribe:


      Asunto: Re: [meteorite-list] Slightly OT - Latin Pronounciation =
Help=20
      Fecha: 02/18/2004 12:35:18 PM Mexico Standard Time
      De: ltcrose_at_bellsouth.net
      Para: MexicoDoug_at_aol.com, jeff@meteoritesaustralia.com, =
meteorite-list_at_meteoritecentral.com
      Enviado por Internet=20



      LOL =20

      amo amas amat amamus amatis amant
       =20
      I did my thesis on Pachydiplex longipennis :-)
       =20
      But I think la cucuracha is a roach..
       =20
      Rosie


        ----- Original Message -----=20
        From: MexicoDoug_at_aol.com=20
        To: jeff_at_meteoritesaustralia.com ; =
meteorite-list_at_meteoritecentral.com=20
        Sent: Wednesday, February 18, 2004 8:38 AM
        Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Slightly OT - Latin Pronounciation =
Help


        G'day,

        When it comes to Latin in science, you really can't go wrong, no =
matter what anyone says, because the "rules" are not absolute, although =
some modern "experts" try to standardize pronunciation. This is mostly =
because scientific naming using Latin uses the English pronunciation of =
things like "Caesar" =3D=3D> pron. C=E9sar. (Cesar w/ stress on "e"). =
Also if they are scientific names, the original language pronunciation =
must be conserved for imports like for the name of the Bessey's Cherry, =
"Prunus besseyi", or Farmer's Orchid, "Dendrobium farmeri", or the =
Fijian Snail, "Ba humbugi", or the moth "La cucuracha", look up the =
different species of the Gressittia genus if you have a sophomoric sense =
of humor, and figure out how to pronounce that one.

        However, in Classical Latin (around the time of Christ), if that =
is your interest, pronunciation can be quite different, and Caesar is =
pronounced Kysar; the letter "v" is pronounced as "w"; get a copy of Vox =
Latina by Sidney Allen if you want to do it like it is thought the =
ancients did.

        In two syllable words, the stress ("accent") is almost always on =
the initial syllable. If you have a short vowel (double consonant) in =
the second to last syllable in words of more than three syllables - =
i.e., short vowel sound in the second to last syllable, the stress is =
usually on the second to last syllable, but there are lots of exceptions =
derived from letters like th, ph, ch, etc. (this can be better =
appreciated when you keep in mind the th sound is from the single Greek =
letter theta, the ph is also the single letter "f" sound from Greek =
letter phi, and ch is still considered a single letter en espa=F1ol. On =
the oher hand the "x" is considered two consonants as it is pronounced =
"ks" and second to last syllable is the tendency producing a short vowel =
sound as in "Lexus-Nexus" or Texas, rather than TEEX-as; similarly the =
long sound in words like "pinus" which thankfully botanists say PYE-nis =
instead of PEE-nus, lu-PYE-nus instead of lu-PEE-nis.

        This all seems close enough to on-list to me if you want to =
study place names of ancient meteorites for a good part of the then =
governed world, or old scientific descriptions of rocks and suspected =
falls.

        Saludos
        Doug Dawn
        Mexico

        En un mensaje con fecha 02/17/2004 10:45:58 PM Mexico Standard =
Time, jeff_at_meteoritesaustralia.com escribe:


          Asunto: [meteorite-list] Slightly OT - Latin Pronounciation =
Help=20
          Fecha: 02/17/2004 10:45:58 PM Mexico Standard Time
          De: jeff_at_meteoritesaustralia.com
          Para: meteorite-list_at_meteoritecentral.com
          Enviado por Internet=20

          G'day all,

          Sorry for the slightly OT topic. In some of my meteorite =
readings I came across some Latin words and terms. I would like some =
help with pronouncing them and would certainly appreciate any help. If =
you can speak Latin could you please contact me off list?

          Thanks,

          Jeff Kuyken
          I.M.C.A. #3085
          www.meteorites.com.au
          www.meteoritesaustralia.com












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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Tuffa I have.. orangettes.. I don't=20
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  <A title=3Dfreewu2000_at_yahoo.com =
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  <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A =
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  href=3D"mailto:MexicoDoug_at_aol.com">MexicoDoug@aol.com</A> ; <A=20
  title=3Dltcrose_at_bellsouth.net=20
  href=3D"mailto:ltcrose_at_bellsouth.net">ltcrose@bellsouth.net</A> </DIV>
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  <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: [meteorite-list] =
Slightly OT=20
  - Latin Pronounciation Help</DIV>
  <DIV><BR></DIV>
  <DIV>Latin is a dead language for a reason.</DIV>
  <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
  <DIV>The song is about a coachroach that is going through marijuana=20
  withdraws.</DIV>
  <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
  <DIV>Ask a question about Dhofar&nbsp;orangettes, I get no answer. =
Make=20
  a&nbsp;crass comment about amputation by meteorite I'm popular. What a =

  list...</DIV>
  <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
  <DIV>Bring it on.</DIV>
  <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
  <DIV>Howard</DIV>
  <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
  <DIV><BR><BR><B><I><A=20
  href=3D"mailto:MexicoDoug_at_aol.com">MexicoDoug@aol.com</A></I></B> =
wrote:</DIV>
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PTSIZE=3D"10"=20
    FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF">Hola Rosie,<BR><BR>La Cucaracha is actually a =
quaint song=20
    about Cannabis sativa (Linnaeus, 1753: an interesting Weed); but la=20
    cucaracha is indeed a cockroach (Periplaneta americana: Linnaeus, =
1758) and=20
    La cucaracha (Blesynski, 1966) is definitely a certain moth of the =
La=20
    genus:)<BR><BR>As an Odonatist you could ask a Lepidopterist for =
further=20
    clarification, though field studies are always another option, and =
while I=20
    see your point, a certain ode of the Pantala genus (sp.: Say, 1839) =
might be=20
    more pleasing to to the ear of fellow enthusiasts.<BR><BR>Now I'm =
off topic=20
    so I'll not elaborate:)<BR><BR>Saludos<BR>Doug =
Dawn<BR>Mexico<BR><BR>En un=20
    mensaje con fecha 02/18/2004 12:35:18 PM Mexico Standard Time,=20
    ltcrose_at_bellsouth.net escribe:<BR><BR>
    <BLOCKQUOTE=20
    style=3D"PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff =
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    TYPE=3D"CITE"></FONT><FONT lang=3D0 style=3D"BACKGROUND-COLOR: =
#ffffff"=20
      face=3DArial color=3D#000000 size=3D3 PTSIZE=3D"12" =
FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF"=20
      BACK=3D"#ffffff">Asunto: <B>Re: [meteorite-list] Slightly OT - =
Latin=20
      Pronounciation Help </B><BR>Fecha: 02/18/2004 12:35:18 PM Mexico =
Standard=20
      Time<BR>De: <A=20
      =
href=3D"mailto:ltcrose_at_bellsouth.net">ltcrose@bellsouth.net</A><BR>Para: =
<A=20
      href=3D"mailto:MexicoDoug_at_aol.com">MexicoDoug@aol.com</A>, <A=20
      =
href=3D"mailto:jeff_at_meteoritesaustralia.com">jeff@meteoritesaustralia.com=
</A>,=20
      <A=20
      =
href=3D"mailto:meteorite-list_at_meteoritecentral.com">meteorite-list@meteor=
itecentral.com</A><BR><I>Enviado=20
      por Internet </I><BR><BR><BR><BR></FONT><FONT lang=3D0=20
      style=3D"BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" face=3DArial color=3D#000000 =
size=3D2=20
      PTSIZE=3D"10" FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" BACK=3D"#ffffff">LOL&nbsp; =
</FONT><FONT=20
      lang=3D0 style=3D"BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" face=3DArial =
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size=3D2=20
      PTSIZE=3D"10" FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" BACK=3D"#ffffff">amo amas amat =
amamus amatis=20
      amant</FONT><FONT lang=3D0 style=3D"BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" =
face=3DArial=20
      color=3D#000000 size=3D3 PTSIZE=3D"12" FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF"=20
      BACK=3D"#ffffff"><BR>&nbsp; <BR></FONT><FONT lang=3D0=20
      style=3D"BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" face=3DArial color=3D#000000 =
size=3D2=20
      PTSIZE=3D"10" FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" BACK=3D"#ffffff">I did my =
thesis on=20
      Pachydiplex longipennis :-)</FONT><FONT lang=3D0=20
      style=3D"BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" face=3DArial color=3D#000000 =
size=3D3=20
      PTSIZE=3D"12" FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" BACK=3D"#ffffff"><BR>&nbsp; =
<BR></FONT><FONT=20
      lang=3D0 style=3D"BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" face=3DArial =
color=3D#000000 size=3D2=20
      PTSIZE=3D"10" FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" BACK=3D"#ffffff">But I think la =
cucuracha is=20
      a roach..</FONT><FONT lang=3D0 style=3D"BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" =
face=3DArial=20
      color=3D#000000 size=3D3 PTSIZE=3D"12" FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF"=20
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BACK=3D"#ffffff">Rosie</FONT><FONT lang=3D0=20
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      style=3D"PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff =
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      TYPE=3D"CITE">----- Original Message ----- <BR><B>From:</B> <A=20
        href=3D"mailto:MexicoDoug_at_aol.com">MexicoDoug@aol.com</A> =
<BR><B>To:</B>=20
        <A=20
        =
href=3D"mailto:jeff_at_meteoritesaustralia.com">jeff@meteoritesaustralia.com=
</A>=20
        ; <A=20
        =
href=3D"mailto:meteorite-list_at_meteoritecentral.com">meteorite-list@meteor=
itecentral.com</A>=20
        <BR><B>Sent:</B> Wednesday, February 18, 2004 8:38 =
AM<BR><B>Subject:</B>=20
        Re: [meteorite-list] Slightly OT - Latin Pronounciation=20
        Help<BR><BR><BR>G'day,<BR><BR>When it comes to Latin in science, =
you=20
        really can't go wrong, no matter what anyone says, because the =
"rules"=20
        are not absolute, although some modern "experts" try to =
standardize=20
        pronunciation.&nbsp; This is mostly because scientific naming =
using=20
        Latin uses the English pronunciation of things like "Caesar" =
=3D=3D&gt;=20
        pron. C=E9sar. (Cesar w/ stress on "e").&nbsp; Also if they are =
scientific=20
        names, the original language pronunciation must be conserved for =
imports=20
        like for the name of the Bessey's Cherry, "Prunus besseyi", or =
Farmer's=20
        Orchid, "Dendrobium farmeri", or the Fijian Snail, "Ba humbugi", =
or the=20
        moth "La cucuracha", look up the different species of the =
Gressittia=20
        genus if you have a sophomoric sense of humor, and figure out =
how to=20
        pronounce that one.<BR><BR>However, in Classical Latin (around =
the time=20
        of Christ), if that is your interest, pronunciation can be quite =

        different, and Caesar is pronounced Kysar; the letter "v" is =
pronounced=20
        as "w"; get a copy of Vox Latina by Sidney Allen if you want to =
do it=20
        like it is thought the ancients did.<BR><BR>In two syllable =
words, the=20
        stress ("accent") is almost always on the initial =
syllable.&nbsp; If you=20
        have a short vowel (double consonant) in the second to last =
syllable in=20
        words of more than three syllables - i.e., short vowel sound in =
the=20
        second to last syllable, the stress is usually on the second to =
last=20
        syllable, but there are lots of exceptions derived from letters =
like th,=20
        ph, ch, etc. (this can be better appreciated when you keep in =
mind the=20
        th sound is from the single Greek letter theta, the ph is also =
the=20
        single letter "f" sound from Greek letter phi, and ch is still=20
        considered a single letter en espa=F1ol.&nbsp; On the oher hand =
the "x" is=20
        considered two consonants as it is pronounced "ks" and second to =
last=20
        syllable is the tendency producing a short vowel sound as in=20
        "Lexus-Nexus" or Texas, rather than TEEX-as; similarly the long =
sound in=20
        words like "pinus" which thankfully botanists say PYE-nis =
instead of=20
        PEE-nus, lu-PYE-nus instead of lu-PEE-nis.<BR><BR>This all seems =
close=20
        enough to on-list to me if you want to study place names of =
ancient=20
        meteorites for a good part of the then governed world, or old =
scientific=20
        descriptions of rocks and suspected =
falls.<BR><BR>Saludos<BR>Doug=20
        Dawn<BR>Mexico<BR><BR>En un mensaje con fecha 02/17/2004 =
10:45:58 PM=20
        Mexico Standard Time, jeff_at_meteoritesaustralia.com =
escribe:<BR><BR>
        <BLOCKQUOTE=20
        style=3D"PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: =
#0000ff 2px solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px"=20
        TYPE=3D"CITE">Asunto: <B>[meteorite-list] Slightly OT - Latin=20
          Pronounciation Help </B><BR>Fecha: 02/17/2004 10:45:58 PM =
Mexico=20
          Standard Time<BR>De: <A=20
          =
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</A><BR>Para:=20
          <A=20
          =
href=3D"mailto:meteorite-list_at_meteoritecentral.com">meteorite-list@meteor=
itecentral.com</A><BR><I>Enviado=20
          por Internet </I><BR><BR>G'day all,</FONT><FONT lang=3D0=20
          style=3D"BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" face=3DArial =
color=3D#000000 size=3D3=20
          PTSIZE=3D"12" FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" =
BACK=3D"#ffffff"><BR><BR></FONT><FONT=20
          lang=3D0 style=3D"BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" face=3DArial =
color=3D#000000=20
          size=3D2 PTSIZE=3D"10" FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" =
BACK=3D"#ffffff">Sorry for the=20
          slightly OT topic. In some of my meteorite readings I came =
across some=20
          Latin words and terms. I would like some help with pronouncing =
them=20
          and would certainly appreciate any help. If you can speak =
Latin could=20
          you please contact me off list?</FONT><FONT lang=3D0=20
          style=3D"BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" face=3DArial =
color=3D#000000 size=3D3=20
          PTSIZE=3D"12" FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" =
BACK=3D"#ffffff"><BR><BR></FONT><FONT=20
          lang=3D0 style=3D"BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" face=3DArial =
color=3D#000000=20
          size=3D2 PTSIZE=3D"10" FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF"=20
          BACK=3D"#ffffff">Thanks,</FONT><FONT lang=3D0=20
          style=3D"BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" face=3DArial =
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          Kuyken<BR>I.M.C.A. #3085<BR><A=20
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