[meteorite-list] NWA 482 questions
From: Michael Farmer <farmerm_at_meteoritecentral.com>
Date: Thu Apr 22 10:07:06 2004 Message-ID: <003901c28122$8d9ad180$df000140_at_computer> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0036_01C280E7.DFDB7F20 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Robert, that is simple, since the purchase of this meteorite, we have = been hassled in public and private by a good number of people, many on = the list, in the last two years! I am simply tired of this ugly rumor = raising it's head every few months. Mark posted questions, that have = been answered so many times, that I am now asking him to clarify how the = stone was offered to him? He had never been to Morocco, and the stone = came out just a few days before I bought it. So to me it is very funny = that the stone was "offered" to everyone and his grandmother. Do you see = my point? Mark was never offered the stone, no one in Morocco ever knew = his name, and still dont, so that part of his post is what I called into = question.=20 I have never had a problem with Mark, but it is pretty easy to tell who = he was directing that post to.=20 Part 2.=20 As for the Met Bul. The matter is the same as when first reported. The = meteorite was purchased by a consortium of people, the hupes had the = largest investment so they got the main mass., just under half. so they = wanted the Bulletin updated. I feel the new one is misleading as it says = that the Hupes owned the stone, the fact is that they owned, HALF the = stone, the main mass. There are 10 other owners that are not mentioned.=20 Either way, that is just semantics that the Hupes wanted. They made the = change, there is no secret or surprises there.=20 The fact of the whole matter is that I bought the stone, I have the = receipt from the seller as to the weight, and the several people saw the = stone in Tucson before cutting, so these rumors are nothing more than = that, rumors spread by jeolous people who never owed and never even saw = the stone. I sincerely hope that this clarifies everything and can put an end to = this garbage.=20 Mike Farmer ----- Original Message ---- -=20 From: Matson, Robert=20 To: Meteorite List=20 Sent: Thursday, October 31, 2002 1:18 PM Subject: [meteorite-list] NWA 482 questions Mike, I don't know what your personal beef is with Mr. Bostick and frankly = don't care to know. Clearly you are reading a lot more into his post about NWA 482 than was present in his words. He made a statement (true or not) and asked a question. Stripping out the extraneous information about price and meteorite type, it boiled down to this: "...when the lunar meteorite NWA482 was being offered around morocco it was 1278 grams and not 1015 as later reported. ...what happened to the other 250 grams?" Your name was not mentioned once, and you were accused of nothing. And yet the mere asking of the above question drove you to threaten legal action? That is not a rational response, which is why one would have to assume there is some bad blood between you two. The sensible response would have been, "The stone weighed 1015 grams, no more -- I weighed it myself on my own scale. Based on the meteorite's shape, there's no way it could have once weighed 1278 grams and then lost 20% of its mass without it being obvious. Who is saying that it once weighed 1278 grams?" The burden of proof would then be on Mark to produce evidence, photographic or otherwise, that it ever weighed 25% more than the published TKW. As long as we're on the subject of NWA 482, perhaps you or someone else can shed some light on the entry that appears in Meteoritical Bulletin #86: "Northwest Africa 482, correction From the day the meteorite was purchased it belonged to Adam and Greg Hupe (Hupe) and they still hold the main mass. The holder of the main mass listed in the Meteoritical Bulletin, No. 85 was = incorrect." The first sentence of the listing in Meteoritical Bulletin #85 for NWA = 482 was, "A 1015 g stone was purchased on 2001 January 10 in Alnif, Morocco, by Michael Farmer." The last sentence reads, "Specimens: half of the main mass is with Farmer; type specimens, 24 g, UCLA, and 18 g, UAz." So, we're all left wondering: who REALLY owns (or perhaps by now "owned") the main mass of NWA 482? Just so we're clear, there are no accusations here, only questions. Anyone reading the Meteoritical = Bulletins should be just as perplexed as I. --Rob ------=_NextPart_000_0036_01C280E7.DFDB7F20 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable <!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional//EN"> <HTML><HEAD> <META http-equiv=3DContent-Type content=3D"text/html; = charset=3Diso-8859-1"> <META content=3D"MSHTML 5.50.4134.600" name=3DGENERATOR> <STYLE></STYLE> </HEAD> <BODY=20 style=3D"BORDER-RIGHT: medium none; BORDER-TOP: medium none; FONT: 10pt = verdana; BORDER-LEFT: medium none; BORDER-BOTTOM: medium none"=20 bgColor=3D#ffffff> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial>Robert, that is simple, since the purchase of = this=20 meteorite, we have been hassled in public and private by a good number = of=20 people, many on the list, in the last two years! I am simply tired = of this=20 ugly rumor raising it's head every few months. Mark posted questions, = that have=20 been answered so many times, that I am now asking him to clarify how the = stone=20 was offered to him? He had never been to Morocco, and the stone came out = just a=20 few days before I bought it. So to me it is very funny that the = stone was=20 "offered" to everyone and his grandmother. Do you see my point? Mark was = never=20 offered the stone, no one in Morocco ever knew his name, and=20 still dont, so that part of his post is what I called into = question.=20 </FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial>I have never had a problem with Mark, but it is = pretty=20 easy to tell who he was directing that post to. </FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial>Part 2.</FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial>As for the Met Bul. The matter is the same as = when first=20 reported. The meteorite was purchased by a consortium of people, the = hupes had=20 the largest investment so they got the main mass., just under half. so = they=20 wanted the Bulletin updated. I feel the new one is misleading as it says = that=20 the Hupes owned the stone, the fact is that they owned, HALF the stone, = the main=20 mass. There are 10 other owners that are not mentioned. </FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial>Either way, that is just semantics that the = Hupes wanted.=20 They made the change, there is no secret or surprises there. = </FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial>The fact of the whole matter is that I = bought the=20 stone, I have the receipt from the seller as to the weight, and the = several=20 people saw the stone in Tucson before cutting, so these rumors are = nothing more=20 than that, rumors spread by jeolous people who never owed and never even = saw the=20 stone.</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial>I sincerely hope that this clarifies everything = and can=20 put an end to this garbage. </FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial>Mike Farmer</FONT></DIV> <BLOCKQUOTE dir=3Dltr=20 style=3D"PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; = BORDER-LEFT: #000000 2px solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px"> <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ---- - </DIV> <DIV=20 style=3D"BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: = black"><B>From:</B>=20 <A title=3DROBERT.D.MATSON_at_saic.com=20 href=3D"mailto:ROBERT.D.MATSON_at_saic.com">Matson, Robert</A> </DIV> <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A=20 title=3Dmeteorite-list_at_meteoritecentral.com=20 href=3D"mailto:meteorite-list_at_meteoritecentral.com">Meteorite List</A> = </DIV> <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Thursday, October 31, = 2002 1:18=20 PM</DIV> <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> [meteorite-list] NWA = 482=20 questions</DIV> <DIV><BR></DIV> <DIV><SPAN class=3D349394619-31102002>Mike,</SPAN></DIV> <DIV><SPAN class=3D349394619-31102002></SPAN> </DIV> <DIV><SPAN class=3D349394619-31102002>I don't know what your personal = beef is=20 with Mr. Bostick and frankly don't</SPAN></DIV> <DIV><SPAN class=3D349394619-31102002>care to </SPAN><SPAN=20 class=3D349394619-31102002>know. Clearly you are reading a lot = more into=20 his post about</SPAN></DIV> <DIV><SPAN class=3D349394619-31102002>NWA 482 than was present in his=20 words. He made a statement (true or</SPAN></DIV> <DIV><SPAN class=3D349394619-31102002>not) and asked a question. = Stripping=20 </SPAN><SPAN class=3D349394619-31102002>out the extraneous=20 information</SPAN></DIV> <DIV><SPAN class=3D349394619-31102002>about price and meteorite type,=20 </SPAN><SPAN class=3D349394619-31102002>it boiled down to = this:</SPAN></DIV> <DIV><SPAN class=3D349394619-31102002></SPAN> </DIV> <DIV><SPAN class=3D349394619-31102002>"</SPAN><SPAN=20 class=3D349394619-31102002>...when the lunar meteorite NWA482 was = being offered=20 around morocco</SPAN></DIV> <DIV><SPAN class=3D349394619-31102002>it was 1278 grams and not 1015 = as later=20 reported. ...what happened to</SPAN></DIV> <DIV><SPAN class=3D349394619-31102002>the other 250 = grams?"</SPAN></DIV> <DIV><SPAN class=3D349394619-31102002></SPAN> </DIV> <DIV><SPAN class=3D349394619-31102002>Your name was not mentioned = once, and you=20 were accused of nothing.</SPAN></DIV> <DIV><SPAN class=3D349394619-31102002>And yet the mere asking of the = above=20 question drove you to threaten</SPAN></DIV> <DIV><SPAN class=3D349394619-31102002>legal action? That is not = a rational=20 response, which is why one would</SPAN></DIV> <DIV><SPAN class=3D349394619-31102002>have to assume there is some bad = blood=20 between you two. The</SPAN></DIV> <DIV><SPAN class=3D349394619-31102002>sensible response would have = been, "The=20 stone weighed 1015 </SPAN><SPAN = class=3D349394619-31102002>grams,</SPAN></DIV> <DIV><SPAN class=3D349394619-31102002>no more -- I weighed it myself = on my own=20 scale. Based on the</SPAN></DIV> <DIV><SPAN class=3D349394619-31102002>meteorite's shape, there's no = way it could=20 have once weighed 1278</SPAN></DIV> <DIV><SPAN class=3D349394619-31102002>grams and then lost 20% of its = mass=20 without it being obvious. Who</SPAN></DIV> <DIV><SPAN class=3D349394619-31102002>is saying that it once weighed = 1278=20 grams?"</SPAN></DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV><SPAN class=3D349394619-31102002>The burden of proof would then = be on Mark=20 to produce evidence,</SPAN></DIV> <DIV><SPAN class=3D349394619-31102002>photographic or = otherwise, that=20 </SPAN><SPAN class=3D349394619-31102002>it ever weighed 25% more than=20 the</SPAN></DIV> <DIV><SPAN class=3D349394619-31102002>published TKW.</SPAN></DIV> <DIV><SPAN class=3D349394619-31102002></SPAN> </DIV> <DIV><SPAN class=3D349394619-31102002>As long as we're on the subject = of NWA=20 482, perhaps you or someone</SPAN></DIV> <DIV><SPAN class=3D349394619-31102002>else can shed some </SPAN><SPAN=20 class=3D349394619-31102002>light on the entry that appears in=20 Meteoritical</SPAN></DIV> <DIV><SPAN class=3D349394619-31102002>Bulletin #86:</SPAN></DIV> <DIV><SPAN class=3D349394619-31102002></SPAN> </DIV> <DIV><SPAN class=3D349394619-31102002>"Northwest Africa 482,=20 correction</SPAN></DIV> <DIV><SPAN class=3D349394619-31102002>From the day the meteorite was = purchased=20 it belonged to Adam and</SPAN></DIV> <DIV><SPAN class=3D349394619-31102002>Greg Hupe (Hupe) and they still = hold the=20 main mass. The holder of</SPAN></DIV> <DIV><SPAN class=3D349394619-31102002>the main mass listed in the = Meteoritical=20 Bulletin, No. 85 was incorrect."</SPAN></DIV> <DIV><SPAN class=3D349394619-31102002></SPAN> </DIV> <DIV><SPAN class=3D349394619-31102002>The first sentence of the = listing in=20 Meteoritical Bulletin #85 for NWA 482</SPAN></DIV> <DIV><SPAN class=3D349394619-31102002>was, "A 1015 g stone was = purchased on 2001=20 January 10 in Alnif,</SPAN></DIV> <DIV><SPAN class=3D349394619-31102002>Morocco, by Michael = Farmer." The=20 last sentence reads, "Specimens:</SPAN></DIV> <DIV><SPAN class=3D349394619-31102002>half of the main mass is with = Farmer; type=20 specimens, 24 g, UCLA,</SPAN></DIV> <DIV><SPAN class=3D349394619-31102002>and 18 g, UAz."</SPAN></DIV> <DIV><SPAN class=3D349394619-31102002></SPAN> </DIV> <DIV><SPAN class=3D349394619-31102002>So, we're all left = wondering: who=20 REALLY owns (or perhaps by now</SPAN></DIV> <DIV><SPAN class=3D349394619-31102002>"owned") the main mass of NWA = 482?<FONT=20 face=3DTahoma> Just so we're clear, there are = no</FONT></SPAN></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3DTahoma><SPAN class=3D349394619-31102002>accusations = here, only=20 questions. Anyone reading the Meteoritical = Bulletins</SPAN></FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3DTahoma><SPAN class=3D349394619-31102002>should be = just as=20 perplexed as I. = --Rob</SPAN></FONT></DIV></BLOCKQUOTE></BODY></HTML> ------=_NextPart_000_0036_01C280E7.DFDB7F20-- Received on Thu 31 Oct 2002 04:14:50 PM PST |
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