[meteorite-list] CR2 prices ruin......
From: Meteordealer <meteor.dealer_at_meteoritecentral.com>
Date: Thu Apr 22 09:55:48 2004 Message-ID: <003701c19ffa$c0d96e80$bb753d04_at_vz.dsl.genuity.net> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0034_01C19FD0.D7864740 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Yes i compare prices on a daily basis. I have been dealing with = meteorites for 9 years and i spend aprox. 6 hours a day comp shopping = other dealers websites and Ebay. I would like to know how i am profiting = from discussing the reasons as to why Moroccan finds are dropping in = price? That's the purpose of this list afterall is to discuss = meteorites. Matteo brought up the subject in the first place so don't go = attacking me like i popped up out of the blue and started knocking = NWA's. NWA's are perfectly fine if that's what you like. I've actually = sold a few myself which i got named and am having analyzed. I just said = that Moroccan finds seem to suffer from the wildest price swings when = compared to other meteorites. I mentioned a Kansas stone as an example = because there are a great number of finds that were plowed, (or = ploughed), up in Kansas. Probably more so than any other state. I would = like to change my previous example to Texas in case anyone else is = offended by a fictitious meteorite from the state of Kansas and feel = that i'm somehow trying to "promote" something. Wagon Mound is being offered for the same price i offered it for = years ago. Valera was intially offered for $8g-$10g, so $6g on Ebay = isn't far off the norm since most meteorites sell for less at Ebay. The = Russian meteorites you mentioned are SELLING for 2 or 3 times the Ebay = prices once you go outside of Ebay. Murchison has always been $75g = except in small fragments where it has and still does list for $100g. = Actually, for your information, i bought a crusted Murchison about 5 = YEARS ago for $40g. I guess that means it's almost doubled in value = since it's at $75g on Ebay now, right? Prices can be deceptive since = they vary based upon the size of the piece and the quality. If you = weren't enticed by my new Kansas meteorite on Ebay when it was at $1.00 = that's OK. I'm not sure what untrue facts i "spit" out for profit, maybe = you can point them out to me. =20 Brad Sampson meteor.dealer_at_gte.net ----- Original Message -----=20 From: MARK BOSTICK=20 To: Meteordealer ; meteorite-list_at_meteoritecentral.com=20 Sent: Friday, January 18, 2002 1:21 AM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] CR2 prices ruin...... Since you are compare market prices ON A DAILY BASIS and only seem to = notice Zagami and Kapoeta has dropped in price. I will bring up a few = ither then Brahin. Lets see Chinga.... Sikhote....oh theres a big = one... How about Wagon Mound? Thats stable right? Valera? When it = came out it was $10.00 a gram. Let me know how much you want for say = $6.00 a gram. Murchison was hitting close to a hundred a gram a year = ago.... and sells for around $75 a gram now. I think that is just an = EXAMPLE of the currant meteorite market. =20 As far as you selling Shergottite for $75 a gram....lets hope they had = better experience with you then I did. Itsn't it strange to see you = attack NWA's and promote US finds and mention a Kansas stone shortly = after you start selling one? As many list members know I live in Kansas = and have been recently collecting Kansas meteorites more. Your $1.00 = eBay starting bids wasn't enticing to me.. List members know I have not attack others on the list = before...although I have felt attacked at times. But when someone is = going to spit out untrue facts for their own profit...... Thats my 10 cents worth..... Mark Bostick "The Big Collector" ----- Original Message ----- From: Meteordealer Sent: Thursday, January 17, 2002 10:35 PM To: meteorite-list_at_meteoritecentral.com Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] CR2 prices ruin...... What instability??? Most legitimate finds and falls ARE holding = steady. I'm a dealer. I compare the market prices of many meteorites on a = daily basis. Just about all of them i look at are the same price they've = always been or more. Zagami and Kapoeta are about the only ones i can think = of that have tanked. Mainly because at the time they were just about the = only SNC and Howardite you could get. People were willing to pay an arm and a = leg to get one so they could fill that hole in their collection, thus the = inflated price. Their price was based upon the rarity of the material. Now = SNC's and Howardite's are everywhere thus the novelty has worn off and the = price has gone down. As far as dealers "dumping" the old stuff to get cash = doesn't affect the retail value unless they unload a large percentage of the = TKW. Whoever buys it from them will most likely keep it or re-sell it for = a profit so in a sense the price will stay the same. The TKW of MOST legitimate finds and falls is pretty well known so the supply isn't = going to go up and kill the value as it does with NWA's. If a farmer in = Kansas plows up a 10kg stone and a search is conducted yielding no further = material, then you could say the TKW is 10kg. A price per gram will be set on that = material based on the purchase price, the total mass, and the classification. = You don't have to worry about a nomad riding into town with another = 100kg tied to his camel. That is the reason MOST legitimate finds are fairly = stable in their price unless they are a VERY rare type. Brad Sampson meteor.dealer_at_gte.net ----- Original Message ----- From: "Michael Blood" <mlblood_at_cox.net> To: "Meteordealer" <meteor.dealer_at_gte.net> Cc: "Meteorite-list Meteoritecentral" = <meteorite-list_at_meteoritecentral.com> Sent: Thursday, January 17, 2002 7:32 PM Subject: [meteorite-list] CR2 prices ruin...... > Meteordealer wrote: > > Actually, the only prices being forced down tremendously are = other > > Moroccan finds. Legitimate finds and falls have held steady with = many > > steadily rising in price..... > > Brad Sampson > > ______________________________________________ > Brad and all, > I must dissagree. PART of the "instability" is that some dealers = who > really count on sales for a living are selling some of the old = stuff - > at > low enough prices to get cash NOW. I have never seen such a thing. > But this does go on. > For instance, I bought a VERY nice 2 gram Zagami > for $588 a few months back. It was a VERY good price at the time. > However, I made the mistake of not offering it for a couple of = months. > When I finally did, I offered it at $600 and got no takers. I = later > offered it at $500 and it sold and there were several who tried to = get > it AFTER it sold. So, right when I got it I probably could have = sold it > instantly for $750, but just a few months made a big difference. > This is just one example. Zagami may well go UP in price equally = as > fast, and I believe it will inevitably do so, it is just a = question of > time. > However, to say, " Legitimate finds and falls have held steady = with many > steadily rising in price.." is simply mistaken. They are NOT = steady at > all. > Now, I used to be the strongest advocate for "meteorites as an > investment." In fact, I never heard or read ANYONE say that before > I did. Ironically, I feel it is true now more than ever. HOWEVER, = it has > gone from a "short term" to a "long term" investment FOR SURE. = What > a price will be a week or month from now is not at all "stable" > regardless > of pedegree. However, in 2 to 10 years from now is, in my opinion, > a dramatic increase in prices is a slam dunk! Prices will go up = VERY > quickly......at some point. We just have no way of knowing now = when > that will be. But it SURE ain't "stable" now. > (there ARE a few, but very few, exceptions: Canyon Diablo - they = anin't > makin' any more of that stuff, the same with Camel Donga and other = rare, > highly limited TKW materials and materials with a noted "history" = - > killed a > horse, smashed a mailbox, etc.) > Best wishes, Michael > > ______________________________________________ > Meteorite-list mailing list > Meteorite-list_at_meteoritecentral.com > http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list ______________________________________________ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list_at_meteoritecentral.com http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list ------=_NextPart_000_0034_01C19FD0.D7864740 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable <!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional//EN"> <HTML><HEAD> <META http-equiv=3DContent-Type content=3D"text/html; = charset=3Diso-8859-1"> <META content=3D"MSHTML 6.00.2600.0" name=3DGENERATOR> <STYLE></STYLE> </HEAD> <BODY=20 style=3D"BORDER-RIGHT: medium none; BORDER-TOP: medium none; FONT: 10pt = verdana; BORDER-LEFT: medium none; BORDER-BOTTOM: medium none"=20 bgColor=3D#ffffff> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial> Yes i compare prices on a daily = basis. I have=20 been dealing with meteorites for 9 years and i spend aprox. 6 hours a = day comp=20 shopping other dealers websites and Ebay. I would like to know = how i=20 am profiting from discussing the reasons as to why Moroccan finds = are=20 dropping in price? That's the purpose of this list afterall is to = discuss=20 meteorites. Matteo brought up the subject in the = first place so don't=20 go attacking me like i popped up out of the blue and = started knocking=20 NWA's. NWA's are perfectly fine if that's what you like. I've actually = sold a=20 few myself which i got named and am having analyzed. I just said that = Moroccan=20 finds seem to suffer from the wildest price swings when compared to = other=20 meteorites. I mentioned a Kansas stone as an example because there = are a=20 great number of finds that were plowed, (or ploughed), up in = Kansas.=20 Probably more so than any other state. I would like to change = my=20 previous example to Texas in case anyone else is offended by a = fictitious=20 meteorite from the state of Kansas and feel that i'm somehow trying to = "promote"=20 something.</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial> Wagon Mound is being offered = for the=20 same price i offered it for years ago. Valera was intially offered = for=20 $8g-$10g, so $6g on Ebay isn't far off the norm since most meteorites = sell for=20 less at Ebay. The Russian meteorites you mentioned are SELLING = for 2 or 3 times the Ebay prices once you go outside of Ebay.=20 Murchison has always been $75g except in small fragments where it has = and still=20 does list for $100g. Actually, for your information, i bought a crusted=20 Murchison about 5 YEARS ago for $40g. I guess that means it's = almost=20 doubled in value since it's at $75g on Ebay now, right? = Prices can be=20 deceptive since they vary based upon the size of the piece and the = quality. If=20 you weren't enticed by my new Kansas meteorite on Ebay=20 when it was at $1.00 that's OK. I'm not sure what untrue = facts i=20 "spit" out for profit, maybe you can point them out to me.</FONT></DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Brad Sampson<BR><A=20 href=3D"mailto:meteor.dealer_at_gte.net">meteor.dealer@gte.net</A><BR></DIV>= <BLOCKQUOTE dir=3Dltr=20 style=3D"PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; = BORDER-LEFT: #000000 2px solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px"> <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- </DIV> <DIV=20 style=3D"BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: = black"><B>From:</B>=20 <A title=3Dthebigcollector_at_msn.com = href=3D"mailto:thebigcollector_at_msn.com">MARK=20 BOSTICK</A> </DIV> <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A = title=3Dmeteor.dealer_at_gte.net=20 href=3D"mailto:meteor.dealer_at_gte.net">Meteordealer</A> ; <A=20 title=3Dmeteorite-list_at_meteoritecentral.com=20 = href=3D"mailto:meteorite-list_at_meteoritecentral.com">meteorite-list@meteor= itecentral.com</A>=20 </DIV> <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Friday, January 18, 2002 = 1:21=20 AM</DIV> <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: [meteorite-list] = CR2 prices=20 ruin......</DIV> <DIV><BR></DIV> <DIV>Since you are compare market prices ON A DAILY = BASIS and only=20 seem to notice Zagami and Kapoeta has dropped in price. I will = bring up=20 a few ither then Brahin. Lets see Chinga.... Sikhote....oh = theres=20 a big one... How about Wagon Mound? Thats stable = right? =20 Valera? When it came out it was $10.00 a gram. Let me know = how=20 much you want for say $6.00 a gram. Murchison was hitting close = to a=20 hundred a gram a year ago.... and sells for around $75 a gram = now. I=20 think that is just an EXAMPLE of the currant meteorite market. = </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>As far as you selling Shergottite for $75 a gram....lets = hope they=20 had better experience with you then I did. Itsn't it strange to = see you=20 attack NWA's and promote US finds and mention a Kansas stone shortly = after you=20 start selling one? As many list members know I live in Kansas = and have=20 been recently collecting Kansas meteorites more. Your $1.00 eBay = starting bids wasn't enticing to me..</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>List members know I have not attack others on the list = before...although=20 I have felt attacked at times. But when someone is going to spit = out=20 untrue facts for their own profit......</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Thats my 10 cents worth.....</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Mark Bostick "The Big Collector"</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <BLOCKQUOTE=20 style=3D"PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; = BORDER-LEFT: #000000 2px solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px"> <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt Arial">----- Original Message -----</DIV> <DIV=20 style=3D"BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt Arial; COLOR: = black"><B>From:</B>=20 Meteordealer</DIV> <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt Arial"><B>Sent:</B> Thursday, January 17, = 2002 10:35=20 PM</DIV> <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt Arial"><B>To:</B>=20 meteorite-list_at_meteoritecentral.com</DIV> <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt Arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: [meteorite-list] = CR2=20 prices ruin......</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> What instability??? Most legitimate finds = and falls=20 ARE holding steady.<BR>I'm a dealer. I compare the market prices of = many=20 meteorites on a daily<BR>basis. Just about all of them i look at are = the=20 same price they've always<BR>been or more. Zagami and Kapoeta are = about the=20 only ones i can think of that<BR>have tanked. Mainly because at the = time=20 they were just about the only SNC<BR>and Howardite you could get. = People=20 were willing to pay an arm and a leg to<BR>get one so they could = fill that=20 hole in their collection, thus the inflated<BR>price. Their price = was based=20 upon the rarity of the material. Now SNC's and<BR>Howardite's are = everywhere=20 thus the novelty has worn off and the price has<BR>gone down. As far = as=20 dealers "dumping" the old stuff to get cash doesn't<BR>affect the = retail=20 value unless they unload a large percentage of the TKW.<BR>Whoever = buys it=20 from them will most likely keep it or re-sell it for a<BR>profit so = in a=20 sense the price will stay the same. The TKW of MOST<BR>legitimate = finds and=20 falls is pretty well known so the supply isn't going to<BR>go up and = kill=20 the value as it does with NWA's. If a farmer in Kansas plows<BR>up a = 10kg=20 stone and a search is conducted yielding no further material, = then<BR>you=20 could say the TKW is 10kg. A price per gram will be set on that=20 material<BR>based on the purchase price, the total mass, and the=20 classification. You<BR>don't have to worry about a nomad riding into = town=20 with another 100kg tied<BR>to his camel. That is the reason MOST = legitimate=20 finds are fairly stable in<BR>their price unless they are a VERY = rare=20 type.<BR><BR>Brad Sampson<BR>meteor.dealer_at_gte.net<BR><BR>----- = Original=20 Message -----<BR>From: "Michael Blood" = <mlblood_at_cox.net><BR>To:=20 "Meteordealer" <meteor.dealer_at_gte.net><BR>Cc: "Meteorite-list=20 Meteoritecentral" = <meteorite-list_at_meteoritecentral.com><BR>Sent:=20 Thursday, January 17, 2002 7:32 PM<BR>Subject: [meteorite-list] CR2 = prices=20 ruin......<BR><BR><BR>> Meteordealer wrote:<BR>>=20 > Actually, the only prices being forced down=20 tremendously are other<BR>> > Moroccan finds. Legitimate finds = and=20 falls have held steady with many<BR>> > steadily rising in=20 price.....<BR>> > Brad Sampson<BR>> >=20 ______________________________________________<BR>> Brad and = all,<BR>>=20 I must dissagree. PART of the "instability" is that some dealers = who<BR>>=20 really count on sales for a living are selling some of the old stuff = -<BR>> at<BR>> low enough prices to get cash NOW. I have never = seen=20 such a thing.<BR>> But this does go on.<BR>> For instance, I = bought a=20 VERY nice 2 gram Zagami<BR>> for $588 a few months back. It was a = VERY=20 good price at the time.<BR>> However, I made the mistake of not = offering=20 it for a couple of months.<BR>> When I finally did, I offered it = at $600=20 and got no takers. I later<BR>> offered it at $500 and it sold = and there=20 were several who tried to get<BR>> it AFTER it sold. So, right = when I got=20 it I probably could have sold it<BR>> instantly for $750, but = just a few=20 months made a big difference.<BR>> This is just one = example. Zagami=20 may well go UP in price equally as<BR>> fast, and I believe it = will=20 inevitably do so, it is just a question of<BR>> time.<BR>> = However, to=20 say, " Legitimate finds and falls have held steady with many<BR>> = steadily rising in price.." is simply mistaken. They are NOT steady=20 at<BR>> all.<BR>> Now, I used to be the strongest advocate for = "meteorites as an<BR>> investment." In fact, I never heard or = read ANYONE=20 say that before<BR>> I did. Ironically, I feel it is true now = more than=20 ever. HOWEVER, it has<BR>> gone from a "short term" to a "long = term"=20 investment FOR SURE. What<BR>> a price will be a week or month = from now=20 is not at all "stable"<BR>> regardless<BR>> of pedegree. = However, in 2=20 to 10 years from now is, in my opinion,<BR>> a dramatic increase = in=20 prices is a slam dunk! Prices will go up VERY<BR>> = quickly......at=20 some point. We just have no way of knowing now when<BR>> that = will be.=20 But it SURE ain't "stable" now.<BR>> (there ARE a few, but very = few,=20 exceptions: Canyon Diablo - they anin't<BR>> makin' any more of = that=20 stuff, the same with Camel Donga and other rare,<BR>> highly = limited TKW=20 materials and materials with a noted "history" -<BR>> killed = a<BR>>=20 horse, smashed a mailbox, etc.)<BR>> Best wishes, = Michael<BR>><BR>>=20 ______________________________________________<BR>> = Meteorite-list=20 mailing list<BR>> Meteorite-list_at_meteoritecentral.com<BR>>=20 = http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list<BR><BR><BR>______= ________________________________________<BR>Meteorite-list=20 mailing=20 = list<BR>Meteorite-list_at_meteoritecentral.com<BR>http://www.pairlist.net/ma= ilman/listinfo/meteorite-list<BR></BLOCKQUOTE></BLOCKQUOTE></BODY></HTML>= ------=_NextPart_000_0034_01C19FD0.D7864740-- Received on Fri 18 Jan 2002 03:33:06 AM PST |
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