[meteorite-list] CR2 prices ruin......
From: MARK BOSTICK <thebigcollector_at_meteoritecentral.com>
Date: Thu Apr 22 09:55:48 2004 Message-ID: <OE138Sbh29cM3oryKFR0001614d_at_hotmail.com> ------=_NextPart_001_0002_01C19FB6.18249740 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Since you are compare market prices ON A DAILY BASIS and only seem to not= ice Zagami and Kapoeta has dropped in price. I will bring up a few ither= then Brahin. Lets see Chinga.... Sikhote....oh theres a big one... Ho= w about Wagon Mound? Thats stable right? Valera? When it came out it w= as $10.00 a gram. Let me know how much you want for say $6.00 a gram. M= urchison was hitting close to a hundred a gram a year ago.... and sells f= or around $75 a gram now. I think that is just an EXAMPLE of the currant= meteorite market. =20 As far as you selling Shergottite for $75 a gram....lets hope they had be= tter experience with you then I did. Itsn't it strange to see you attack= NWA's and promote US finds and mention a Kansas stone shortly after you = start selling one? As many list members know I live in Kansas and have b= een recently collecting Kansas meteorites more. Your $1.00 eBay starting= bids wasn't enticing to me.. List members know I have not attack others on the list before...although = I have felt attacked at times. But when someone is going to spit out unt= rue facts for their own profit...... Thats my 10 cents worth..... Mark Bostick "The Big Collector" ----- Original Message ----- From: Meteordealer Sent: Thursday, January 17, 2002 10:35 PM To: meteorite-list_at_meteoritecentral.com Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] CR2 prices ruin...... What instability??? Most legitimate finds and falls ARE holding steady. I'm a dealer. I compare the market prices of many meteorites on a daily basis. Just about all of them i look at are the same price they've always been or more. Zagami and Kapoeta are about the only ones i can think of t= hat have tanked. Mainly because at the time they were just about the only SNC and Howardite you could get. People were willing to pay an arm and a leg = to get one so they could fill that hole in their collection, thus the inflat= ed price. Their price was based upon the rarity of the material. Now SNC's a= nd Howardite's are everywhere thus the novelty has worn off and the price ha= s gone down. As far as dealers "dumping" the old stuff to get cash doesn't affect the retail value unless they unload a large percentage of the TKW. Whoever buys it from them will most likely keep it or re-sell it for a profit so in a sense the price will stay the same. The TKW of MOST legitimate finds and falls is pretty well known so the supply isn't going= to go up and kill the value as it does with NWA's. If a farmer in Kansas plo= ws up a 10kg stone and a search is conducted yielding no further material, t= hen you could say the TKW is 10kg. A price per gram will be set on that mater= ial based on the purchase price, the total mass, and the classification. You don't have to worry about a nomad riding into town with another 100kg tie= d to his camel. That is the reason MOST legitimate finds are fairly stable = in their price unless they are a VERY rare type. Brad Sampson meteor.dealer_at_gte.net ----- Original Message ----- From: "Michael Blood" <mlblood_at_cox.net> To: "Meteordealer" <meteor.dealer_at_gte.net> Cc: "Meteorite-list Meteoritecentral" <meteorite-list_at_meteoritecentral.co= m> Sent: Thursday, January 17, 2002 7:32 PM Subject: [meteorite-list] CR2 prices ruin...... > Meteordealer wrote: > > Actually, the only prices being forced down tremendously are other > > Moroccan finds. Legitimate finds and falls have held steady with many > > steadily rising in price..... > > Brad Sampson > > ______________________________________________ > Brad and all, > I must dissagree. PART of the "instability" is that some dealers who > really count on sales for a living are selling some of the old stuff - > at > low enough prices to get cash NOW. I have never seen such a thing. > But this does go on. > For instance, I bought a VERY nice 2 gram Zagami > for $588 a few months back. It was a VERY good price at the time. > However, I made the mistake of not offering it for a couple of months. > When I finally did, I offered it at $600 and got no takers. I later > offered it at $500 and it sold and there were several who tried to get > it AFTER it sold. So, right when I got it I probably could have sold it > instantly for $750, but just a few months made a big difference. > This is just one example. Zagami may well go UP in price equally as > fast, and I believe it will inevitably do so, it is just a question of > time. > However, to say, " Legitimate finds and falls have held steady with man= y > steadily rising in price.." is simply mistaken. They are NOT steady at > all. > Now, I used to be the strongest advocate for "meteorites as an > investment." In fact, I never heard or read ANYONE say that before > I did. Ironically, I feel it is true now more than ever. HOWEVER, it ha= s > gone from a "short term" to a "long term" investment FOR SURE. What > a price will be a week or month from now is not at all "stable" > regardless > of pedegree. However, in 2 to 10 years from now is, in my opinion, > a dramatic increase in prices is a slam dunk! Prices will go up VERY > quickly......at some point. We just have no way of knowing now when > that will be. But it SURE ain't "stable" now. > (there ARE a few, but very few, exceptions: Canyon Diablo - they anin't > makin' any more of that stuff, the same with Camel Donga and other rare= , > highly limited TKW materials and materials with a noted "history" - > killed a > horse, smashed a mailbox, etc.) > Best wishes, Michael > > ______________________________________________ > Meteorite-list mailing list > Meteorite-list_at_meteoritecentral.com > http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list ______________________________________________ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list_at_meteoritecentral.com http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list ------=_NextPart_001_0002_01C19FB6.18249740 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable <HTML><BODY STYLE=3D"font:10pt verdana; border:none;"><DIV>Since you are = compare market prices ON A DAILY BASIS and only seem to notice = Zagami and Kapoeta has dropped in price. I will bring up a few ithe= r then Brahin. Lets see Chinga.... Sikhote....oh theres a big= one... How about Wagon Mound? Thats stable right? Vale= ra? When it came out it was $10.00 a gram. Let me know how mu= ch you want for say $6.00 a gram. Murchison was hitting close to a = hundred a gram a year ago.... and sells for around $75 a gram now. = I think that is just an EXAMPLE of the currant meteorite market. </= DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>As far as you selling Shergottite for $75&nbs= p;a gram....lets hope they had better experience with you then I did.&nbs= p; Itsn't it strange to see you attack NWA's and promote US finds and men= tion a Kansas stone shortly after you start selling one? As many li= st members know I live in Kansas and have been recently collecting Kansas= meteorites more. Your $1.00 eBay starting bids wasn't enticing to = me..</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>List members know I have not attack oth= ers on the list before...although I have felt attacked at times. Bu= t when someone is going to spit out untrue facts for their own profit....= ..</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Thats my 10 cents worth.....</DIV> <DIV>&= nbsp;</DIV> <DIV>Mark Bostick "The Big Collector"</DIV> <DIV> </DIV>= <BLOCKQUOTE style=3D"PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT:= 5px; BORDER-LEFT: #000000 2px solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px"> <DIV style=3D"F= ONT: 10pt Arial">----- Original Message -----</DIV> <DIV style=3D"BACKGRO= UND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt Arial; COLOR: black"><B>From:</B> Meteordealer</= DIV> <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt Arial"><B>Sent:</B> Thursday, January 17, 2= 002 10:35 PM</DIV> <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt Arial"><B>To:</B> meteorite-l= ist_at_meteoritecentral.com</DIV> <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt Arial"><B>Subject= :</B> Re: [meteorite-list] CR2 prices ruin......</DIV> <DIV> </DIV>&= nbsp; What instability??? Most legitimate finds and falls ARE holding ste= ady.<BR>I'm a dealer. I compare the market prices of many meteorites on a= daily<BR>basis. Just about all of them i look at are the same price they= 've always<BR>been or more. Zagami and Kapoeta are about the only ones i = can think of that<BR>have tanked. Mainly because at the time they were ju= st about the only SNC<BR>and Howardite you could get. People were willing= to pay an arm and a leg to<BR>get one so they could fill that hole in th= eir collection, thus the inflated<BR>price. Their price was based upon th= e rarity of the material. Now SNC's and<BR>Howardite's are everywhere thu= s the novelty has worn off and the price has<BR>gone down. As far as deal= ers "dumping" the old stuff to get cash doesn't<BR>affect the retail valu= e unless they unload a large percentage of the TKW.<BR>Whoever buys it fr= om them will most likely keep it or re-sell it for a<BR>profit so in a se= nse the price will stay the same. The TKW of MOST<BR>legitimate finds and= falls is pretty well known so the supply isn't going to<BR>go up and kil= l the value as it does with NWA's. If a farmer in Kansas plows<BR>up a 10= kg stone and a search is conducted yielding no further material, then<BR>= you could say the TKW is 10kg. A price per gram will be set on that mater= ial<BR>based on the purchase price, the total mass, and the classificatio= n. You<BR>don't have to worry about a nomad riding into town with another= 100kg tied<BR>to his camel. That is the reason MOST legitimate finds are= fairly stable in<BR>their price unless they are a VERY rare type.<BR><BR= >Brad Sampson<BR>meteor.dealer_at_gte.net<BR><BR>----- Original Message ----= -<BR>From: "Michael Blood" <mlblood_at_cox.net><BR>To: "Meteordealer" = <meteor.dealer_at_gte.net><BR>Cc: "Meteorite-list Meteoritecentral" &l= t;meteorite-list_at_meteoritecentral.com><BR>Sent: Thursday, January 17, = 2002 7:32 PM<BR>Subject: [meteorite-list] CR2 prices ruin......<BR><BR><B= R>> Meteordealer wrote:<BR>> > Actually, the o= nly prices being forced down tremendously are other<BR>> > Moroccan= finds. Legitimate finds and falls have held steady with many<BR>> >= ; steadily rising in price.....<BR>> > Brad Sampson<BR>> > __= ____________________________________________<BR>> Brad and all,<BR>>= ; I must dissagree. PART of the "instability" is that some dealers who<BR= >> really count on sales for a living are selling some of the old stuf= f -<BR>> at<BR>> low enough prices to get cash NOW. I have never se= en such a thing.<BR>> But this does go on.<BR>> For instance, I bou= ght a VERY nice 2 gram Zagami<BR>> for $588 a few months back. It was = a VERY good price at the time.<BR>> However, I made the mistake of not= offering it for a couple of months.<BR>> When I finally did, I offere= d it at $600 and got no takers. I later<BR>> offered it at $500 and it= sold and there were several who tried to get<BR>> it AFTER it sold. S= o, right when I got it I probably could have sold it<BR>> instantly fo= r $750, but just a few months made a big difference.<BR>> This is just= one example. Zagami may well go UP in price equally as<BR>> fas= t, and I believe it will inevitably do so, it is just a question of<BR>&g= t; time.<BR>> However, to say, " Legitimate finds and falls have held = steady with many<BR>> steadily rising in price.." is simply mistaken. = They are NOT steady at<BR>> all.<BR>> Now, I used to be the stronge= st advocate for "meteorites as an<BR>> investment." In fact, I never h= eard or read ANYONE say that before<BR>> I did. Ironically, I feel it = is true now more than ever. HOWEVER, it has<BR>> gone from a "short te= rm" to a "long term" investment FOR SURE. What<BR>> a price will be a = week or month from now is not at all "stable"<BR>> regardless<BR>> = of pedegree. However, in 2 to 10 years from now is, in my opinion,<BR>>= ; a dramatic increase in prices is a slam dunk! Prices will go up V= ERY<BR>> quickly......at some point. We just have no way of knowing no= w when<BR>> that will be. But it SURE ain't "stable" now.<BR>> (the= re ARE a few, but very few, exceptions: Canyon Diablo - they anin't<BR>&g= t; makin' any more of that stuff, the same with Camel Donga and other rar= e,<BR>> highly limited TKW materials and materials with a noted "histo= ry" -<BR>> killed a<BR>> horse, smashed a mailbox, etc.)<BR>> Be= st wishes, Michael<BR>><BR>> ______________________________________= ________<BR>> Meteorite-list mailing list<BR>> Meteorite-list_at_meteo= ritecentral.com<BR>> http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorit= e-list<BR><BR><BR>______________________________________________<BR>Meteo= rite-list mailing list<BR>Meteorite-list_at_meteoritecentral.com<BR>http://w= ww.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list<BR></BLOCKQUOTE></BODY></= HTML> ------=_NextPart_001_0002_01C19FB6.18249740-- Received on Fri 18 Jan 2002 01:21:38 AM PST |
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