[meteorite-list] BLM Public Land

From: Adam Hupe <raremeteorites_at_meteoritecentral.com>
Date: Tue, 9 Jan 2018 14:44:25 -0800
Message-ID: <cbd5cd45-5e28-dfcf-deb0-4c9b1f1782bb_at_centurylink.net>

I wish what you said was true however the original and much abused 1906
Antiquities law was clarified to include meteorites as cultural objects
with scientific value. In any case, permits are required which will
never be issued for commercial purposes and without one, you are
committing a criminal act by selling them.

Just talk to miners, artifact hunters and rock hounds and they will tell
the noncommercial use aspect is enforced. The Department of Interior
has and still claims ownership of all meteorites found on public land.
This predates the 2012 clarification which is still enforced.

Or better yet, contact a BLM office and inquire,




On 1/9/2018 2:32 PM, Murray Paulson via Meteorite-list wrote:
> Hi Michael:
>
> Thanks so much for the clarification. That is a very positive outcome
> for this threaCheers.
>
> Murray
>
> On Tue, Jan 9, 2018 at 3:05 PM, Michael Mulgrew via Meteorite-list
> <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com> wrote:
>> Instruction Memorandum No. 2012-182
>> Expires: 09/30/2013
>>
>> It no longer is applicable, nor was it ever truly. I got further than
>> anyone in attempting to procure one of their so-called "permits"; they
>> were never intended to be issued to anyone, nor is that memo a law.
>> As Jim correctly points out, the law is silent on the meteorite front.
>>
>> Michael in so. Cal.
>>
>> On Tue, Jan 9, 2018 at 9:12 AM, Adam Hupe via Meteorite-list
>> <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com> wrote:
>>> The law was updated on September 10, 2012. They felt the law need to be
>>> updated in order to protect meteorites after seeing all of TV shows on how
>>> valuable they were. All these laws have a genesis to the Antiquities Act of
>>> 1906 which has been heavily abused by politicians including massive land
>>> grabs.
>>>
>>> Here is a link directly to the BLM updates which directly relates to
>>> meteorites:
>>>
>>> https://www.blm.gov/policy/im-2012-182-0
>>>
>>> The BLM will provide you with PDF files if you want to research in depth.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On 1/9/2018 8:05 AM, Jim Wooddell wrote:
>>>>
>>>> What date are you referring to in regards to 43 CFR 8365.1-5???
>>>>
>>>> GPO has the 2001 version and there is not one mention of meteorites nor
>>>> any of the wording below.
>>>> Can you reference a link to the CFR in question?
>>>>
>>>> My Ref:
>>>>
>>>> https://www.gpo.gov/fdsys/pkg/CFR-2001-title43-vol2/pdf/CFR-2001-title43-vol2-sec8365-1-5.pdf
>>>>
>>>> Jim
>>>>
>>>> Sent from Mail <https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986> for
>>>> Windows 10
>>>>
>>>> *From: *Adam Hupe via Meteorite-list
>>>> <mailto:meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
>>>> *Sent: *Tuesday, January 9, 2018 8:41 AM
>>>> *To: *metlist <mailto:meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
>>>>
>>>> *Subject: *Re: [meteorite-list] BLM Public Land
>>>>
>>>> 43 CFR 8365.1-5
>>>>
>>>> Collection of meteorites is limited to certain public lands. Public
>>>>
>>>> lands closed to casual collection include: developed recreation sites,
>>>>
>>>> certain units of the National Landscape Conservation System, areas
>>>>
>>>> excluded from casual collection in a Land Use Plan such as an Area of
>>>>
>>>> Critical Environmental Concern (ACEC) or a wilderness area, and areas
>>>>
>>>> closed by supplemental regulations;
>>>>
>>>> Individuals are limited to collecting what can be easily hand-carried,
>>>>
>>>> up to a maximum of ten pounds of meteorites per individual, per year;
>>>>
>>>> Only surface collection of meteorites using non-motorized and
>>>>
>>>> non-mechanical equipment is allowed (metal detectors may be used); and
>>>>
>>>> Casually-collected meteorites are for personal use only, and may not be
>>>>
>>>> bartered or sold for commercial purposes.
>>>>
>>>> On 1/9/2018 4:50 AM, Jim Wooddell wrote:
>>>>
>>>> > What law? Can you please reference the CFR?s?
>>>>
>>>> >
>>>>
>>>> > Kind Regards,
>>>>
>>>> >
>>>>
>>>> > Jim Wooddell
>>>>
>>>> >
>>>>
>>>> > Sent from Mail <https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986> for
>>>>
>>>> > Windows 10
>>>>
>>>> >
>>>>
>>>> > *From: *Ruben Garcia via Meteorite-list
>>>>
>>>> > <mailto:meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
>>>>
>>>> > *Sent: *Monday, January 8, 2018 5:23 PM
>>>>
>>>> > *To: *Raremeteorites <mailto:raremeteorites at centurylink.net>
>>>>
>>>> > *Cc: *metlist <mailto:meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
>>>>
>>>> > *Subject: *Re: [meteorite-list] BLM Public Land
>>>>
>>>> >
>>>>
>>>> > I haven't hunted meteorites - other than the occasional fall or
>>>> probable
>>>>
>>>> > fall - in many years and no I never had any trouble with any government
>>>>
>>>> > or state agency relating to meteorites or anything else.
>>>>
>>>> >
>>>>
>>>> > On Jan 8, 2018 2:58 PM, "Adam Hupe via Meteorite-list"
>>>>
>>>> > <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
>>>>
>>>> > <mailto:meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> >
>>>>
>>>> > Hi Ruben and List,
>>>>
>>>> >
>>>>
>>>> > Ruben, didn't you have problems with the BLM?
>>>>
>>>> >
>>>>
>>>> > I was just trying to save some dealers from grief. I do not agree
>>>>
>>>> > with the new laws, that were incorporated after much press about
>>>> the
>>>>
>>>> > monetary value of meteorites aired a few years back, but still
>>>> abide
>>>>
>>>> > by them.
>>>>
>>>> >
>>>>
>>>> > Anybody dealing meteorites found on public land is at serious risk
>>>>
>>>> > of prosecution since they are making themselves low-hanging fruit
>>>>
>>>> > for competitors and agents alike. It only takes one phone call.
>>>>
>>>> > Not only that, dealers who break the law by selling these finds,
>>>>
>>>> > jeopardize the collection of meteorites on public lands for the
>>>> rest
>>>>
>>>> > of us. Dealers breaking the law can be used as examples for even
>>>>
>>>> > stricter laws forbidding the hunting of meteorites altogether.
>>>>
>>>> >
>>>>
>>>> > Adam
>>>>
>>>> >
>>>>
>>>> >
>>>>
>>>> >
>>>>
>>>> >
>>>>
>>>> >
>>>>
>>>> > On 1/8/2018 1:03 PM, Ruben Garcia via Meteorite-list wrote:
>>>>
>>>> >
>>>>
>>>> > This just in, Adam has finally commented on everything,
>>>>
>>>> > including Ads!
>>>>
>>>> >
>>>>
>>>> >
>>>>
>>>> >
>>>>
>>>> > On Sun, Jan 7, 2018 at 12:54 PM, Larry Atkins via
>>>> Meteorite-list
>>>>
>>>> > <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
>>>>
>>>> > <mailto:meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> >
>>>>
>>>> > Thanks for the heads up, but really...
>>>>
>>>> >
>>>>
>>>> > Sent from AOL Mobile Mail
>>>>
>>>> >
>>>>
>>>> > ________________________________
>>>>
>>>> > On Sunday, January 7, 2018 Adam Hupe via Meteorite-list
>>>>
>>>> > <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
>>>>
>>>> > <mailto:meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> > I do not normally comment on ads but sellers should keep in
>>>>
>>>> > mind that
>>>>
>>>> > selling meteorites found on public lands in the U.S. is
>>>>
>>>> > against federal law.
>>>>
>>>> > I do not want to see anybody get into trouble because, as
>>>>
>>>> > some List Members
>>>>
>>>> > have found out the hard way, the BLM does monitor meteorite
>>>>
>>>> > sales,
>>>>
>>>> > especially eBay. Meteorites may be casually collected,
>>>> i.e.,
>>>>
>>>> > for free and
>>>>
>>>> > without a permit, under FLPMA However,in accordance with
>>>> the
>>>>
>>>> > BLM's
>>>>
>>>> > regulations at 43 CFR 8365.1-5 collection is limited to
>>>>
>>>> > certain public
>>>>
>>>> > lands, (2) only specimens up to ten pounds may be collected
>>>>
>>>> > per person per
>>>>
>>>> > year, and (3) only surface collection with the use of
>>>>
>>>> > non-motorized and
>>>>
>>>> > non-Mechanical equipment is allowed; metal detectors are
>>>>
>>>> > okay. However,
>>>>
>>>> > specimens that are casually collected are for personal use
>>>>
>>>> > only, and may not
>>>>
>>>> > be bartered or sold for commercial purposes. Reference:
>>>>
>>>> >
>>>> https://www.blm.gov/sites/blm.gov/files/uploads/IM2012-182_att1.pdf
>>>>
>>>> > Happy
>>>>
>>>> > hunting,
>>>>
>>>> > On 1/7/2018 8:56 AM, Larry Atkins via Meteorite-list wrote:
>>>>
>>>> > > > List, > > I
>>>>
>>>> > have 32 auctions running right now with some ending in
>>>> about
>>>>
>>>> > 24 hours. Most
>>>>
>>>> > started at .99 with no reserve and some still have no bids.
>>>>
>>>> > There are a few
>>>>
>>>> > items rarely offered, like Osceola, the witnessed fall from
>>>>
>>>> > Florida. Or NWA
>>>>
>>>> > 11107 a rare eucrite melt. Right now there is a 2.8 gram
>>>> end
>>>>
>>>> > cut with only 2
>>>>
>>>> > bids, $2.51 at the moment. > > Some other highlights would
>>>>
>>>> > be the rarely
>>>>
>>>> > offered Arizona find officially recognized as Bullhead
>>>> City.
>>>>
>>>> > Another rarely
>>>>
>>>> > offered Arizona meteorite, the witnessed fall called Indian
>>>>
>>>> > Butte, aka
>>>>
>>>> > Stanfield. I have a low TKW Howardite that is gorgeous, NWA
>>>>
>>>> > 11184. It's a
>>>>
>>>> > 2.71 gram full slice that is currently at $13.00. > > Don't
>>>>
>>>> > miss the
>>>>
>>>> > extraordinary Anda tektites. The first 2 I put up sold
>>>>
>>>> > quick, there are 2
>>>>
>>>> > more up with very reasonable buy it now prices and a quick
>>>>
>>>> > search on the
>>>>
>>>> > internet will demonstrate the rarity, these things are
>>>>
>>>> > practically
>>>>
>>>> > unobtainable. > > Others listed are: > Holbrook frag's from
>>>>
>>>> > my big find in
>>>>
>>>> > 2007. > A 3.2 kg Gold Basin from the Nevada side. > NWA
>>>> 6581
>>>>
>>>> > an LL6. > NWA
>>>>
>>>> > 10140 Lunar 1 of only 2 anorthositic troctolite. >
>>>>
>>>> > unclassified NWA type3
>>>>
>>>> > slices. > NWA 8663 A complete crusted eucrite stone with no
>>>>
>>>> > bids and no
>>>>
>>>> > reserve! > > There are others as well, take a minute and
>>>>
>>>> > check them out if
>>>>
>>>> > interested. > > Thank you. > > > >
>>>>
>>>> >
>>>> https://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_nkw=&_in_kw=1&_ex_kw=&_sacat=0&_udlo=&_udhi=&_ftrt=901&_ftrv=1&_sabdlo=&_sabdhi=&_samilow=&_samihi=&_sadis=15&_stpos=48438-9655&_sargn=-1%26saslc%3D1&_salic=1&_fss=1&_fsradio=%26LH_SpecificSeller%3D1&_saslop=1&_sasl=alienrockfarm&_sop=12&_dmd=1&_ipg=200
>>>>
>>>> >
>>>>
>>>> > Sincerely, > Larry Atkins > > > >
>>>>
>>>> > www.CosmicConnectionMeteorites.com
>>>>
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>>>>
>>>> >
>>>>
>>>> > IMCA # 1941 > > Ebay alienrockfarm > > >
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