[meteorite-list] BLM Public Land
From: Mark Bowling <minador_at_meteoritecentral.com>
Date: Wed, 10 Jan 2018 13:46:17 +0000 (UTC) Message-ID: <638057846.357756.1515591977496_at_mail.yahoo.com> Great news, I was just wondering about this the other day...? Thanks Michael. Happy hunting Larry!!? Hope you find a whopper! Mark From: Michael Mulgrew via Meteorite-list <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com> To: metlist <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com> Sent: Tuesday, January 9, 2018 3:07 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] BLM Public Land Instruction Memorandum No. 2012-182 Expires:? 09/30/2013 It no longer is applicable, nor was it ever truly.? I got further than anyone in attempting to procure one of their so-called "permits"; they were never intended to be issued to anyone, nor is that memo a law. As Jim correctly points out, the law is silent on the meteorite front. Michael in so. Cal. On Tue, Jan 9, 2018 at 9:12 AM, Adam Hupe via Meteorite-list <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com> wrote: > The law was updated on September 10, 2012.? They felt the law need to be > updated in order to protect meteorites after seeing all of TV shows on how > valuable they were. All these laws have a genesis to the Antiquities Act of > 1906 which has been heavily abused by politicians including massive land > grabs. > > Here is a link directly to the BLM updates which directly relates to > meteorites: > > https://www.blm.gov/policy/im-2012-182-0 > > The BLM will provide you with PDF files if you want to research in depth. > > > > On 1/9/2018 8:05 AM, Jim Wooddell wrote: >> >> What date are you referring to in regards to? 43 CFR 8365.1-5??? >> >> GPO has the 2001 version and there is not one mention of meteorites nor >> any of the wording below. >> Can you reference a link to the CFR in question? >> >> My Ref: >> >> https://www.gpo.gov/fdsys/pkg/CFR-2001-title43-vol2/pdf/CFR-2001-title43-vol2-sec8365-1-5.pdf >> >> Jim >> >> Sent from Mail <https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986> for >> Windows 10 >> >> *From: *Adam Hupe via Meteorite-list >> <mailto:meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com> >> *Sent: *Tuesday, January 9, 2018 8:41 AM >> *To: *metlist <mailto:meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com> >> >> *Subject: *Re: [meteorite-list] BLM Public Land >> >> 43 CFR 8365.1-5 >> >> Collection of meteorites is limited to certain public lands. Public >> >> lands closed to casual collection include: developed recreation sites, >> >> certain units of the National Landscape Conservation System, areas >> >> excluded from casual collection in a Land Use Plan such as an Area of >> >> Critical Environmental Concern (ACEC) or a wilderness area, and areas >> >> closed by supplemental regulations; >> >> Individuals are limited to collecting what can be easily hand-carried, >> >> up to a maximum of ten pounds of meteorites per individual, per year; >> >> Only surface collection of meteorites using non-motorized and >> >> non-mechanical equipment is allowed (metal detectors may be used); and >> >> Casually-collected meteorites are for personal use only, and may not be >> >> bartered or sold for commercial purposes. >> >> On 1/9/2018 4:50 AM, Jim Wooddell wrote: >> >>? > What law?? Can you please reference the CFR?s? >> >>? > >> >>? > Kind Regards, >> >>? > >> >>? > Jim Wooddell >> >>? > >> >>? > Sent from Mail <https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986> for >> >>? > Windows 10 >> >>? > >> >>? > *From: *Ruben Garcia via Meteorite-list >> >>? > <mailto:meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com> >> >>? > *Sent: *Monday, January 8, 2018 5:23 PM >> >>? > *To: *Raremeteorites <mailto:raremeteorites at centurylink.net> >> >>? > *Cc: *metlist <mailto:meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com> >> >>? > *Subject: *Re: [meteorite-list] BLM Public Land >> >>? > >> >>? > I haven't hunted meteorites - other than the occasional fall or >> probable >> >>? > fall - in many years and no I never had any trouble with any government >> >>? > or state agency relating to meteorites or anything else. >> >>? > >> >>? > On Jan 8, 2018 2:58 PM, "Adam Hupe via Meteorite-list" >> >>? > <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com >> >>? > <mailto:meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>> wrote: >> >>? > >> >>? >? ? Hi Ruben and List, >> >>? > >> >>? >? ? Ruben, didn't you have problems with the BLM? >> >>? > >> >>? >? ? I was just trying to save some dealers from grief.? I do not agree >> >>? >? ? with the new laws, that were incorporated after much press about >> the >> >>? >? ? monetary value of meteorites aired a few years back, but still >> abide >> >>? >? ? by them. >> >>? > >> >>? >? ? Anybody dealing meteorites found on public land is at serious risk >> >>? >? ? of prosecution since they are making themselves low-hanging fruit >> >>? >? ? for competitors and agents alike.? It only takes one phone call. >> >>? >? ? Not only that, dealers who break the law by selling these finds, >> >>? >? ? jeopardize the collection of meteorites on public lands for the >> rest >> >>? >? ? of us.? Dealers breaking the law can be used as examples for even >> >>? >? ? stricter laws forbidding the hunting of meteorites altogether. >> >>? > >> >>? >? ? Adam >> >>? > >> >>? > >> >>? > >> >>? > >> >>? > >> >>? >? ? On 1/8/2018 1:03 PM, Ruben Garcia via Meteorite-list wrote: >> >>? > >> >>? >? ? ? ? This just in, Adam has finally commented on everything, >> >>? >? ? ? ? including Ads! >> >>? > >> >>? > >> >>? > >> >>? >? ? ? ? On Sun, Jan 7, 2018 at 12:54 PM, Larry Atkins via >> Meteorite-list >> >>? >? ? ? ? <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com >> >>? >? ? ? ? <mailto:meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>> wrote: >> >>? > >> >>? >? ? ? ? ? ? Thanks for the heads up, but really... >> >>? > >> >>? >? ? ? ? ? ? Sent from AOL Mobile Mail >> >>? > >> >>? >? ? ? ? ? ? ________________________________ >> >>? >? ? ? ? ? ? On Sunday, January 7, 2018 Adam Hupe via Meteorite-list >> >>? >? ? ? ? ? ? <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com >> >>? >? ? ? ? ? ? <mailto:meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>> wrote: >> >>? >? ? ? ? ? ? I do not normally comment on ads but sellers should keep in >> >>? >? ? ? ? ? ? mind that >> >>? >? ? ? ? ? ? selling meteorites found on public lands in the U.S. is >> >>? >? ? ? ? ? ? against federal law. >> >>? >? ? ? ? ? ? I do not want to see anybody get into trouble because, as >> >>? >? ? ? ? ? ? some List Members >> >>? >? ? ? ? ? ? have found out the hard way, the BLM does monitor meteorite >> >>? >? ? ? ? ? ? sales, >> >>? >? ? ? ? ? ? especially eBay. Meteorites may be casually collected, >> i.e., >> >>? >? ? ? ? ? ? for free and >> >>? >? ? ? ? ? ? without a permit, under FLPMA However,in accordance with >> the >> >>? >? ? ? ? ? ? BLM's >> >>? >? ? ? ? ? ? regulations at 43 CFR 8365.1-5 collection is limited to >> >>? >? ? ? ? ? ? certain public >> >>? >? ? ? ? ? ? lands, (2) only specimens up to ten pounds may be collected >> >>? >? ? ? ? ? ? per person per >> >>? >? ? ? ? ? ? year, and (3) only surface collection with the use of >> >>? >? ? ? ? ? ? non-motorized and >> >>? >? ? ? ? ? ? non-Mechanical equipment is allowed; metal detectors are >> >>? >? ? ? ? ? ? okay. However, >> >>? >? ? ? ? ? ? specimens that are casually collected are for personal use >> >>? >? ? ? ? ? ? only, and may not >> >>? >? ? ? ? ? ? be bartered or sold for commercial purposes. Reference: >> >>? > >> https://www.blm.gov/sites/blm.gov/files/uploads/IM2012-182_att1.pdf >> >>? >? ? ? ? ? ? Happy >> >>? >? ? ? ? ? ? hunting, >> >>? >? ? ? ? ? ? On 1/7/2018 8:56 AM, Larry Atkins via Meteorite-list wrote: >> >>? >? ? ? ? ? ? ? > > List, > > I >> >>? >? ? ? ? ? ? have 32 auctions running right now with some ending in >> about >> >>? >? ? ? ? ? ? 24 hours. Most >> >>? >? ? ? ? ? ? started at .99 with no reserve and some still have no bids. >> >>? >? ? ? ? ? ? There are a few >> >>? >? ? ? ? ? ? items rarely offered, like Osceola, the witnessed fall from >> >>? >? ? ? ? ? ? Florida. Or NWA >> >>? >? ? ? ? ? ? 11107 a rare eucrite melt. Right now there is a 2.8 gram >> end >> >>? >? ? ? ? ? ? cut with only 2 >> >>? >? ? ? ? ? ? bids, $2.51 at the moment. > > Some other highlights would >> >>? >? ? ? ? ? ? be the rarely >> >>? >? ? ? ? ? ? offered Arizona find officially recognized as Bullhead >> City. >> >>? >? ? ? ? ? ? Another rarely >> >>? >? ? ? ? ? ? offered Arizona meteorite, the witnessed fall called Indian >> >>? >? ? ? ? ? ? Butte, aka >> >>? >? ? ? ? ? ? Stanfield. I have a low TKW Howardite that is gorgeous, NWA >> >>? >? ? ? ? ? ? 11184. It's a >> >>? >? ? ? ? ? ? 2.71 gram full slice that is currently at $13.00. > > Don't >> >>? >? ? ? ? ? ? miss the >> >>? >? ? ? ? ? ? extraordinary Anda tektites. The first 2 I put up sold >> >>? >? ? ? ? ? ? quick, there are 2 >> >>? >? ? ? ? ? ? more up with very reasonable buy it now prices and a quick >> >>? >? ? ? ? ? ? search on the >> >>? >? ? ? ? ? ? internet will demonstrate the rarity, these things are >> >>? >? ? ? ? ? ? practically >> >>? >? ? ? ? ? ? unobtainable. > > Others listed are: > Holbrook frag's from >> >>? >? ? ? ? ? ? my big find in >> >>? >? ? ? ? ? ? 2007. > A 3.2 kg Gold Basin from the Nevada side. > NWA >> 6581 >> >>? >? ? ? ? ? ? an LL6. > NWA >> >>? >? ? ? ? ? ? 10140 Lunar 1 of only 2 anorthositic troctolite. > >> >>? >? ? ? ? ? ? unclassified NWA type3 >> >>? >? ? ? ? ? ? slices. > NWA 8663 A complete crusted eucrite stone with no >> >>? >? ? ? ? ? ? bids and no >> >>? >? ? ? ? ? ? reserve! > > There are others as well, take a minute and >> >>? >? ? ? ? ? ? check them out if >> >>? >? ? ? ? ? ? interested. > > Thank you. > > > > >> >>? > >> https://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_nkw=&_in_kw=1&_ex_kw=&_sacat=0&_udlo=&_udhi=&_ftrt=901&_ftrv=1&_sabdlo=&_sabdhi=&_samilow=&_samihi=&_sadis=15&_stpos=48438-9655&_sargn=-1%26saslc%3D1&_salic=1&_fss=1&_fsradio=%26LH_SpecificSeller%3D1&_saslop=1&_sasl=alienrockfarm&_sop=12&_dmd=1&_ipg=200 >> >>? > >> >>? >? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? 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