[meteorite-list] BLM Public Land

From: Michael Mulgrew <mikestang_at_meteoritecentral.com>
Date: Tue, 9 Jan 2018 14:05:25 -0800
Message-ID: <CAMseTy01kMcgdoaXvxdyfmNnzj6yDbt_z0-4x9RR2O9VwVnvCw_at_mail.gmail.com>

Instruction Memorandum No. 2012-182
Expires: 09/30/2013

It no longer is applicable, nor was it ever truly. I got further than
anyone in attempting to procure one of their so-called "permits"; they
were never intended to be issued to anyone, nor is that memo a law.
As Jim correctly points out, the law is silent on the meteorite front.

Michael in so. Cal.

On Tue, Jan 9, 2018 at 9:12 AM, Adam Hupe via Meteorite-list
<meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com> wrote:
> The law was updated on September 10, 2012. They felt the law need to be
> updated in order to protect meteorites after seeing all of TV shows on how
> valuable they were. All these laws have a genesis to the Antiquities Act of
> 1906 which has been heavily abused by politicians including massive land
> grabs.
>
> Here is a link directly to the BLM updates which directly relates to
> meteorites:
>
> https://www.blm.gov/policy/im-2012-182-0
>
> The BLM will provide you with PDF files if you want to research in depth.
>
>
>
> On 1/9/2018 8:05 AM, Jim Wooddell wrote:
>>
>> What date are you referring to in regards to 43 CFR 8365.1-5???
>>
>> GPO has the 2001 version and there is not one mention of meteorites nor
>> any of the wording below.
>> Can you reference a link to the CFR in question?
>>
>> My Ref:
>>
>> https://www.gpo.gov/fdsys/pkg/CFR-2001-title43-vol2/pdf/CFR-2001-title43-vol2-sec8365-1-5.pdf
>>
>> Jim
>>
>> Sent from Mail <https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986> for
>> Windows 10
>>
>> *From: *Adam Hupe via Meteorite-list
>> <mailto:meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
>> *Sent: *Tuesday, January 9, 2018 8:41 AM
>> *To: *metlist <mailto:meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
>>
>> *Subject: *Re: [meteorite-list] BLM Public Land
>>
>> 43 CFR 8365.1-5
>>
>> Collection of meteorites is limited to certain public lands. Public
>>
>> lands closed to casual collection include: developed recreation sites,
>>
>> certain units of the National Landscape Conservation System, areas
>>
>> excluded from casual collection in a Land Use Plan such as an Area of
>>
>> Critical Environmental Concern (ACEC) or a wilderness area, and areas
>>
>> closed by supplemental regulations;
>>
>> Individuals are limited to collecting what can be easily hand-carried,
>>
>> up to a maximum of ten pounds of meteorites per individual, per year;
>>
>> Only surface collection of meteorites using non-motorized and
>>
>> non-mechanical equipment is allowed (metal detectors may be used); and
>>
>> Casually-collected meteorites are for personal use only, and may not be
>>
>> bartered or sold for commercial purposes.
>>
>> On 1/9/2018 4:50 AM, Jim Wooddell wrote:
>>
>> > What law? Can you please reference the CFR?s?
>>
>> >
>>
>> > Kind Regards,
>>
>> >
>>
>> > Jim Wooddell
>>
>> >
>>
>> > Sent from Mail <https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986> for
>>
>> > Windows 10
>>
>> >
>>
>> > *From: *Ruben Garcia via Meteorite-list
>>
>> > <mailto:meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
>>
>> > *Sent: *Monday, January 8, 2018 5:23 PM
>>
>> > *To: *Raremeteorites <mailto:raremeteorites at centurylink.net>
>>
>> > *Cc: *metlist <mailto:meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
>>
>> > *Subject: *Re: [meteorite-list] BLM Public Land
>>
>> >
>>
>> > I haven't hunted meteorites - other than the occasional fall or
>> probable
>>
>> > fall - in many years and no I never had any trouble with any government
>>
>> > or state agency relating to meteorites or anything else.
>>
>> >
>>
>> > On Jan 8, 2018 2:58 PM, "Adam Hupe via Meteorite-list"
>>
>> > <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
>>
>> > <mailto:meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>> wrote:
>>
>> >
>>
>> > Hi Ruben and List,
>>
>> >
>>
>> > Ruben, didn't you have problems with the BLM?
>>
>> >
>>
>> > I was just trying to save some dealers from grief. I do not agree
>>
>> > with the new laws, that were incorporated after much press about
>> the
>>
>> > monetary value of meteorites aired a few years back, but still
>> abide
>>
>> > by them.
>>
>> >
>>
>> > Anybody dealing meteorites found on public land is at serious risk
>>
>> > of prosecution since they are making themselves low-hanging fruit
>>
>> > for competitors and agents alike. It only takes one phone call.
>>
>> > Not only that, dealers who break the law by selling these finds,
>>
>> > jeopardize the collection of meteorites on public lands for the
>> rest
>>
>> > of us. Dealers breaking the law can be used as examples for even
>>
>> > stricter laws forbidding the hunting of meteorites altogether.
>>
>> >
>>
>> > Adam
>>
>> >
>>
>> >
>>
>> >
>>
>> >
>>
>> >
>>
>> > On 1/8/2018 1:03 PM, Ruben Garcia via Meteorite-list wrote:
>>
>> >
>>
>> > This just in, Adam has finally commented on everything,
>>
>> > including Ads!
>>
>> >
>>
>> >
>>
>> >
>>
>> > On Sun, Jan 7, 2018 at 12:54 PM, Larry Atkins via
>> Meteorite-list
>>
>> > <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
>>
>> > <mailto:meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>> wrote:
>>
>> >
>>
>> > Thanks for the heads up, but really...
>>
>> >
>>
>> > Sent from AOL Mobile Mail
>>
>> >
>>
>> > ________________________________
>>
>> > On Sunday, January 7, 2018 Adam Hupe via Meteorite-list
>>
>> > <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
>>
>> > <mailto:meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>> wrote:
>>
>> > I do not normally comment on ads but sellers should keep in
>>
>> > mind that
>>
>> > selling meteorites found on public lands in the U.S. is
>>
>> > against federal law.
>>
>> > I do not want to see anybody get into trouble because, as
>>
>> > some List Members
>>
>> > have found out the hard way, the BLM does monitor meteorite
>>
>> > sales,
>>
>> > especially eBay. Meteorites may be casually collected,
>> i.e.,
>>
>> > for free and
>>
>> > without a permit, under FLPMA However,in accordance with
>> the
>>
>> > BLM's
>>
>> > regulations at 43 CFR 8365.1-5 collection is limited to
>>
>> > certain public
>>
>> > lands, (2) only specimens up to ten pounds may be collected
>>
>> > per person per
>>
>> > year, and (3) only surface collection with the use of
>>
>> > non-motorized and
>>
>> > non-Mechanical equipment is allowed; metal detectors are
>>
>> > okay. However,
>>
>> > specimens that are casually collected are for personal use
>>
>> > only, and may not
>>
>> > be bartered or sold for commercial purposes. Reference:
>>
>> >
>> https://www.blm.gov/sites/blm.gov/files/uploads/IM2012-182_att1.pdf
>>
>> > Happy
>>
>> > hunting,
>>
>> > On 1/7/2018 8:56 AM, Larry Atkins via Meteorite-list wrote:
>>
>> > > > List, > > I
>>
>> > have 32 auctions running right now with some ending in
>> about
>>
>> > 24 hours. Most
>>
>> > started at .99 with no reserve and some still have no bids.
>>
>> > There are a few
>>
>> > items rarely offered, like Osceola, the witnessed fall from
>>
>> > Florida. Or NWA
>>
>> > 11107 a rare eucrite melt. Right now there is a 2.8 gram
>> end
>>
>> > cut with only 2
>>
>> > bids, $2.51 at the moment. > > Some other highlights would
>>
>> > be the rarely
>>
>> > offered Arizona find officially recognized as Bullhead
>> City.
>>
>> > Another rarely
>>
>> > offered Arizona meteorite, the witnessed fall called Indian
>>
>> > Butte, aka
>>
>> > Stanfield. I have a low TKW Howardite that is gorgeous, NWA
>>
>> > 11184. It's a
>>
>> > 2.71 gram full slice that is currently at $13.00. > > Don't
>>
>> > miss the
>>
>> > extraordinary Anda tektites. The first 2 I put up sold
>>
>> > quick, there are 2
>>
>> > more up with very reasonable buy it now prices and a quick
>>
>> > search on the
>>
>> > internet will demonstrate the rarity, these things are
>>
>> > practically
>>
>> > unobtainable. > > Others listed are: > Holbrook frag's from
>>
>> > my big find in
>>
>> > 2007. > A 3.2 kg Gold Basin from the Nevada side. > NWA
>> 6581
>>
>> > an LL6. > NWA
>>
>> > 10140 Lunar 1 of only 2 anorthositic troctolite. >
>>
>> > unclassified NWA type3
>>
>> > slices. > NWA 8663 A complete crusted eucrite stone with no
>>
>> > bids and no
>>
>> > reserve! > > There are others as well, take a minute and
>>
>> > check them out if
>>
>> > interested. > > Thank you. > > > >
>>
>> >
>> https://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_nkw=&_in_kw=1&_ex_kw=&_sacat=0&_udlo=&_udhi=&_ftrt=901&_ftrv=1&_sabdlo=&_sabdhi=&_samilow=&_samihi=&_sadis=15&_stpos=48438-9655&_sargn=-1%26saslc%3D1&_salic=1&_fss=1&_fsradio=%26LH_SpecificSeller%3D1&_saslop=1&_sasl=alienrockfarm&_sop=12&_dmd=1&_ipg=200
>>
>> >
>>
>> > Sincerely, > Larry Atkins > > > >
>>
>> > www.CosmicConnectionMeteorites.com
>>
>> > <http://www.CosmicConnectionMeteorites.com> >
>>
>> >
>>
>> > IMCA # 1941 > > Ebay alienrockfarm > > >
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