[meteorite-list] BLM Public Land

From: Murray Paulson <murray.paulson_at_meteoritecentral.com>
Date: Tue, 9 Jan 2018 15:32:11 -0700
Message-ID: <CADHggP3g2TY34ZeJk+C7C7UXP5T78ADmfjnUmJ683ShODrsatg_at_mail.gmail.com>

Hi Michael:

Thanks so much for the clarification. That is a very positive outcome
for this threaCheers.

Murray

On Tue, Jan 9, 2018 at 3:05 PM, Michael Mulgrew via Meteorite-list
<meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com> wrote:
> Instruction Memorandum No. 2012-182
> Expires: 09/30/2013
>
> It no longer is applicable, nor was it ever truly. I got further than
> anyone in attempting to procure one of their so-called "permits"; they
> were never intended to be issued to anyone, nor is that memo a law.
> As Jim correctly points out, the law is silent on the meteorite front.
>
> Michael in so. Cal.
>
> On Tue, Jan 9, 2018 at 9:12 AM, Adam Hupe via Meteorite-list
> <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com> wrote:
>> The law was updated on September 10, 2012. They felt the law need to be
>> updated in order to protect meteorites after seeing all of TV shows on how
>> valuable they were. All these laws have a genesis to the Antiquities Act of
>> 1906 which has been heavily abused by politicians including massive land
>> grabs.
>>
>> Here is a link directly to the BLM updates which directly relates to
>> meteorites:
>>
>> https://www.blm.gov/policy/im-2012-182-0
>>
>> The BLM will provide you with PDF files if you want to research in depth.
>>
>>
>>
>> On 1/9/2018 8:05 AM, Jim Wooddell wrote:
>>>
>>> What date are you referring to in regards to 43 CFR 8365.1-5???
>>>
>>> GPO has the 2001 version and there is not one mention of meteorites nor
>>> any of the wording below.
>>> Can you reference a link to the CFR in question?
>>>
>>> My Ref:
>>>
>>> https://www.gpo.gov/fdsys/pkg/CFR-2001-title43-vol2/pdf/CFR-2001-title43-vol2-sec8365-1-5.pdf
>>>
>>> Jim
>>>
>>> Sent from Mail <https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986> for
>>> Windows 10
>>>
>>> *From: *Adam Hupe via Meteorite-list
>>> <mailto:meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
>>> *Sent: *Tuesday, January 9, 2018 8:41 AM
>>> *To: *metlist <mailto:meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
>>>
>>> *Subject: *Re: [meteorite-list] BLM Public Land
>>>
>>> 43 CFR 8365.1-5
>>>
>>> Collection of meteorites is limited to certain public lands. Public
>>>
>>> lands closed to casual collection include: developed recreation sites,
>>>
>>> certain units of the National Landscape Conservation System, areas
>>>
>>> excluded from casual collection in a Land Use Plan such as an Area of
>>>
>>> Critical Environmental Concern (ACEC) or a wilderness area, and areas
>>>
>>> closed by supplemental regulations;
>>>
>>> Individuals are limited to collecting what can be easily hand-carried,
>>>
>>> up to a maximum of ten pounds of meteorites per individual, per year;
>>>
>>> Only surface collection of meteorites using non-motorized and
>>>
>>> non-mechanical equipment is allowed (metal detectors may be used); and
>>>
>>> Casually-collected meteorites are for personal use only, and may not be
>>>
>>> bartered or sold for commercial purposes.
>>>
>>> On 1/9/2018 4:50 AM, Jim Wooddell wrote:
>>>
>>> > What law? Can you please reference the CFR?s?
>>>
>>> >
>>>
>>> > Kind Regards,
>>>
>>> >
>>>
>>> > Jim Wooddell
>>>
>>> >
>>>
>>> > Sent from Mail <https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986> for
>>>
>>> > Windows 10
>>>
>>> >
>>>
>>> > *From: *Ruben Garcia via Meteorite-list
>>>
>>> > <mailto:meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
>>>
>>> > *Sent: *Monday, January 8, 2018 5:23 PM
>>>
>>> > *To: *Raremeteorites <mailto:raremeteorites at centurylink.net>
>>>
>>> > *Cc: *metlist <mailto:meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
>>>
>>> > *Subject: *Re: [meteorite-list] BLM Public Land
>>>
>>> >
>>>
>>> > I haven't hunted meteorites - other than the occasional fall or
>>> probable
>>>
>>> > fall - in many years and no I never had any trouble with any government
>>>
>>> > or state agency relating to meteorites or anything else.
>>>
>>> >
>>>
>>> > On Jan 8, 2018 2:58 PM, "Adam Hupe via Meteorite-list"
>>>
>>> > <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
>>>
>>> > <mailto:meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>> wrote:
>>>
>>> >
>>>
>>> > Hi Ruben and List,
>>>
>>> >
>>>
>>> > Ruben, didn't you have problems with the BLM?
>>>
>>> >
>>>
>>> > I was just trying to save some dealers from grief. I do not agree
>>>
>>> > with the new laws, that were incorporated after much press about
>>> the
>>>
>>> > monetary value of meteorites aired a few years back, but still
>>> abide
>>>
>>> > by them.
>>>
>>> >
>>>
>>> > Anybody dealing meteorites found on public land is at serious risk
>>>
>>> > of prosecution since they are making themselves low-hanging fruit
>>>
>>> > for competitors and agents alike. It only takes one phone call.
>>>
>>> > Not only that, dealers who break the law by selling these finds,
>>>
>>> > jeopardize the collection of meteorites on public lands for the
>>> rest
>>>
>>> > of us. Dealers breaking the law can be used as examples for even
>>>
>>> > stricter laws forbidding the hunting of meteorites altogether.
>>>
>>> >
>>>
>>> > Adam
>>>
>>> >
>>>
>>> >
>>>
>>> >
>>>
>>> >
>>>
>>> >
>>>
>>> > On 1/8/2018 1:03 PM, Ruben Garcia via Meteorite-list wrote:
>>>
>>> >
>>>
>>> > This just in, Adam has finally commented on everything,
>>>
>>> > including Ads!
>>>
>>> >
>>>
>>> >
>>>
>>> >
>>>
>>> > On Sun, Jan 7, 2018 at 12:54 PM, Larry Atkins via
>>> Meteorite-list
>>>
>>> > <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
>>>
>>> > <mailto:meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>> wrote:
>>>
>>> >
>>>
>>> > Thanks for the heads up, but really...
>>>
>>> >
>>>
>>> > Sent from AOL Mobile Mail
>>>
>>> >
>>>
>>> > ________________________________
>>>
>>> > On Sunday, January 7, 2018 Adam Hupe via Meteorite-list
>>>
>>> > <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
>>>
>>> > <mailto:meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>> wrote:
>>>
>>> > I do not normally comment on ads but sellers should keep in
>>>
>>> > mind that
>>>
>>> > selling meteorites found on public lands in the U.S. is
>>>
>>> > against federal law.
>>>
>>> > I do not want to see anybody get into trouble because, as
>>>
>>> > some List Members
>>>
>>> > have found out the hard way, the BLM does monitor meteorite
>>>
>>> > sales,
>>>
>>> > especially eBay. Meteorites may be casually collected,
>>> i.e.,
>>>
>>> > for free and
>>>
>>> > without a permit, under FLPMA However,in accordance with
>>> the
>>>
>>> > BLM's
>>>
>>> > regulations at 43 CFR 8365.1-5 collection is limited to
>>>
>>> > certain public
>>>
>>> > lands, (2) only specimens up to ten pounds may be collected
>>>
>>> > per person per
>>>
>>> > year, and (3) only surface collection with the use of
>>>
>>> > non-motorized and
>>>
>>> > non-Mechanical equipment is allowed; metal detectors are
>>>
>>> > okay. However,
>>>
>>> > specimens that are casually collected are for personal use
>>>
>>> > only, and may not
>>>
>>> > be bartered or sold for commercial purposes. Reference:
>>>
>>> >
>>> https://www.blm.gov/sites/blm.gov/files/uploads/IM2012-182_att1.pdf
>>>
>>> > Happy
>>>
>>> > hunting,
>>>
>>> > On 1/7/2018 8:56 AM, Larry Atkins via Meteorite-list wrote:
>>>
>>> > > > List, > > I
>>>
>>> > have 32 auctions running right now with some ending in
>>> about
>>>
>>> > 24 hours. Most
>>>
>>> > started at .99 with no reserve and some still have no bids.
>>>
>>> > There are a few
>>>
>>> > items rarely offered, like Osceola, the witnessed fall from
>>>
>>> > Florida. Or NWA
>>>
>>> > 11107 a rare eucrite melt. Right now there is a 2.8 gram
>>> end
>>>
>>> > cut with only 2
>>>
>>> > bids, $2.51 at the moment. > > Some other highlights would
>>>
>>> > be the rarely
>>>
>>> > offered Arizona find officially recognized as Bullhead
>>> City.
>>>
>>> > Another rarely
>>>
>>> > offered Arizona meteorite, the witnessed fall called Indian
>>>
>>> > Butte, aka
>>>
>>> > Stanfield. I have a low TKW Howardite that is gorgeous, NWA
>>>
>>> > 11184. It's a
>>>
>>> > 2.71 gram full slice that is currently at $13.00. > > Don't
>>>
>>> > miss the
>>>
>>> > extraordinary Anda tektites. The first 2 I put up sold
>>>
>>> > quick, there are 2
>>>
>>> > more up with very reasonable buy it now prices and a quick
>>>
>>> > search on the
>>>
>>> > internet will demonstrate the rarity, these things are
>>>
>>> > practically
>>>
>>> > unobtainable. > > Others listed are: > Holbrook frag's from
>>>
>>> > my big find in
>>>
>>> > 2007. > A 3.2 kg Gold Basin from the Nevada side. > NWA
>>> 6581
>>>
>>> > an LL6. > NWA
>>>
>>> > 10140 Lunar 1 of only 2 anorthositic troctolite. >
>>>
>>> > unclassified NWA type3
>>>
>>> > slices. > NWA 8663 A complete crusted eucrite stone with no
>>>
>>> > bids and no
>>>
>>> > reserve! > > There are others as well, take a minute and
>>>
>>> > check them out if
>>>
>>> > interested. > > Thank you. > > > >
>>>
>>> >
>>> https://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_nkw=&_in_kw=1&_ex_kw=&_sacat=0&_udlo=&_udhi=&_ftrt=901&_ftrv=1&_sabdlo=&_sabdhi=&_samilow=&_samihi=&_sadis=15&_stpos=48438-9655&_sargn=-1%26saslc%3D1&_salic=1&_fss=1&_fsradio=%26LH_SpecificSeller%3D1&_saslop=1&_sasl=alienrockfarm&_sop=12&_dmd=1&_ipg=200
>>>
>>> >
>>>
>>> > Sincerely, > Larry Atkins > > > >
>>>
>>> > www.CosmicConnectionMeteorites.com
>>>
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>>>
>>> >
>>>
>>> > IMCA # 1941 > > Ebay alienrockfarm > > >
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