[meteorite-list] Ad 32 Auctions Lots of Good Deals!

From: John Lutzon <jl_at_meteoritecentral.com>
Date: Mon, 8 Jan 2018 18:58:14 -0500
Message-ID: <8FA92CB447364A828D1AC1291AB8B932_at_Home>

I tried--I really did....but
All pertinent information has been conveyed and understood by All.
Everything else,in my opinion, is bloviated non-information.
Someone needs to let this thread go--geeee,--I wonder who that
may be?

----- Original Message -----
From: "Adam Hupe via Meteorite-list" <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
To: "metlist" <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
Sent: Monday, January 08, 2018 6:36 PM
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Ad 32 Auctions Lots of Good Deals!


Micheal, You are breaking your own proposed rule by posting to the List.
  I think meteorite hunters have a right to know the issues that could
have an affect on hunting meteorites on public land.

I tried to change the subject heading but people keep posting to this
string.

Adam



On 1/8/2018 3:30 PM, Michael Mulgrew via Meteorite-list wrote:
> Then send him a private note, and respond to his note to you in private.
>
> I would argue that you going on and on and on about this draws more
> attention to it than the ad itself.
>
> Michael in so. Cal.
>
> On Mon, Jan 8, 2018 at 3:08 PM, Adam Hupe via Meteorite-list
> <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com> wrote:
>> Larry,
>>
>> I do not have a problem with you personally. I enjoy your field reports but
>> was dismayed to see meteorites found on public land being offered up on a
>> commercial basis since it could have an affect on the future of meteorite
>> hunting. I have been involved with BLM land discussions since the 1990's so
>> this is nothing new.
>>
>> These laws are being enforced which I am sure people will hear about at the
>> Tucson show. No, I am not the snitch. Actually there are several. If the
>> name of just one these snitches (informants) got out, it would shock the
>> entire community. It only takes one person, with their hand caught in the
>> cookie jar, to try and save their own butt by turning on others.
>>
>> My negativity stems from all the damage that has occurred to this avocation,
>> being ripped off and badmouthed by dealers. I have no problem with
>> collectors who I tend to side with these days. Every argument I have had
>> has been with dealers, mainly the 3.0 crowd.
>>
>>
>> Adam
>>
>>
>> On 1/8/2018 2:45 PM, Larry Atkins wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Adam,
>>>
>>> Man, you are killing me. Are you just bored? Why are you singling out me
>>> and my auctions? I've never done anything to you, and don't say you are just
>>> trying to protect me and other dealers, you are drawing undo attention,
>>> that's not protection. Leave sleeping dogs lie. I can't believe that after
>>> the last few years of watching you drag people into ridiculousville you've
>>> finally got me. On one hand I really want to ignore you but I can't.
>>>
>>> I sell once a year, enough to cover a tiny percentage of the costs of the
>>> pursuit. I contribute valuable information and new meteorites to science as
>>> often as I can, all with my own hard earned money. I started my poison ivy
>>> control business 12 years ago just so that I could pursue meteorites and
>>> contribute to the science. I spent thousands of my own dollars to open up
>>> and document the Nevada side of Gold Basin, (which is now confirmed by Dr.
>>> Kring and publication is pending.) How much sweat and treasure do you think
>>> Osceola cost me? How about weeks and weeks on end for two winters in your
>>> back yard, unraveling the Bullhead City strewn field all on my dime? I've
>>> worked very hard over the years in my spare time to be a positive force in
>>> this hobby, sharing with whom ever and wherever I can.And yes, I'm defensive
>>> right now because I take your posts personally. I feel like you are trying
>>> to draw attention to me, specifically, right now while my once or so a year
>>> ebay ads are running, and I don't deserve that You should pick someone else
>>> to target, maybe someone that is actually out doing bad things.
>>>
>>> While I'm at it, if this was something that actually needed to be
>>> adhered to, everyone that has ever bought a questionable meteorite should
>>> throw it in the garbage right now. Universities and institutions that have
>>> procured these same falls and finds should throw theirs on the burn pile
>>> too, or turn themselves in and be prosecuted for trafficking. So as anyone
>>> of sound mind can see, that's ridiculous and these laws are very much not
>>> unlike other b.s. laws of the past and present, practically unenforceable
>>> and wrong to begin with. A crime needs a victim by definition and I don't
>>> see a victim here. Furthermore, the stones would have to be reclassified and
>>> proven to be legitimate, then in the case of say Battle Mountain, Gold
>>> Basin, Franconia or Indian Butte, to name a few, there is a checkerboard or
>>> mix of private / public land. Which stone is this? Where was this particular
>>> stone found? Prove where the stone came from! And all for what? What a joke,
>>> a complete waste of resources. It's like trying to enforce sodomy laws or
>>> tell people they can't smoke weed, forget it. My neighbor in Az is a county
>>> sheriff and I watch him do a rolling stop everyday at the stop sign in front
>>> of the house, do I lecture him? Should I call his boss? GET REAL. These laws
>>> you cite are wrong headed, or at the very least, if used to prosecute a guy
>>> like me, that would not be in the true spirit of which they were written.
>>> Despite the fact you say you don't agree with the laws, you seem to be quite
>>> an outspoken proponent on this list, unless of course it interferes with
>>> your pursuits.
>>>
>>> Adam, I used to have great respect for you, and though I can't take away
>>> anything positive you've done in the past, it would seem your days of
>>> positive contribution are over. During the past several years your posts
>>> have continually deteriorated in such a negative way that I don't respect
>>> you anymore. I wouldn't be a bit surprised if you are the snitch you
>>> mention. You're not my meteorite Daddy and I didn't ask for your advice or
>>> your protection. Please do not comment on my posts in the future. Like I
>>> said to you once in the past, relax man, get outside and go find a
>>> meteorite. Find something constructive to do. Based on the emails, texts
>>> and phone calls I've received today, many others would agree.
>>>
>>>
>>> Sincerely,
>>> Larry
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Adam Hupe via Meteorite-list <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
>>> To: metlist <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
>>> Sent: Mon, Jan 8, 2018 12:21 pm
>>> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Ad 32 Auctions Lots of Good Deals!
>>>
>>> What happens if meteorites are collected illegally from public lands? If
>>> meteorites are collected illegally from public lands you can be cited under
>>> FLPMA and the regulations at 43 CFR 8365.1-5(a) for illegal removal of any
>>> personal property or any scientific resource or natural object. You will
>>> also be subject to criminal prosecution under title 18, section 641 for the
>>> theft of Federal property and related criminal statutes depending on the
>>> type of illegal activity, including false labeling under title 18, section
>>> 1001. I would take this very seriously. There are snitches in our midst as
>>> many have found out the hard way. On 1/7/2018 11:54 AM, Larry Atkins via
>>> Meteorite-list wrote: > Thanks for the heads up, but really... > > Sent from
>>> AOL Mobile Mail > > > >
>>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >
>>> On Sunday, January 7, 2018 Adam Hupe via Meteorite-list >
>>> <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com <mailto:list at meteoritecentral.com>>
>>> wrote: > > I do not normally comment on ads but sellers should keep in mind
>>> that > selling meteorites found on public lands in the U.S. is against
>>> federal > law. I do not want to see anybody get into trouble because, as
>>> some List > Members have found out the hard way, the BLM does monitor
>>> meteorite > sales, especially eBay. Meteorites may be casually collected,
>>> i.e., for > free and without a permit, under FLPMA However,in accordance
>>> with the > BLM's regulations at 43 CFR 8365.1-5 collection is limited to
>>> certain > public lands, (2) only specimens up to ten pounds may be collected
>>> per > person per year, and (3) only surface collection with the use of >
>>> non-motorized and non-Mechanical equipment is allowed; metal detectors > are
>>> okay. However, specimens that are casually collected are for > personal use
>>> only, and may not be bartered or sold for commercial > purposes. Reference:
>>>> https://www.blm.gov/sites/blm.gov/files/uploads/IM2012-182_att1.pdf >
>>> Happy hunting, > On 1/7/2018 8:56 AM, Larry Atkins via Meteorite-list wrote:
>>>>> List, > > > I have 32 auctions running right now with some ending in
>>> about 24 > hours. Most started at .99 with no reserve and some still have no
>>> bids. > There are a few items rarely offered, like Osceola, the witnessed
>>> fall > from Florida. Or NWA 11107 a rare eucrite melt. Right now there is a
>>> 2.8 > gram end cut with only 2 bids, $2.51 at the moment. > > Some other >
>>> highlights would be the rarely offered Arizona find officially > recognized
>>> as Bullhead City. Another rarely offered Arizona meteorite, > the witnessed
>>> fall called Indian Butte, aka Stanfield. I have a low TKW > Howardite that
>>> is gorgeous, NWA 11184. It's a 2.71 gram full slice that > is currently at
>>> $13.00. > > Don't miss the extraordinary Anda tektites. > The first 2 I put
>>> up sold quick, there are 2 more up with very > reasonable buy it now prices
>>> and a quick search on the internet will > demonstrate the rarity, these
>>> things are practically unobtainable. > > > Others listed are: > Holbrook
>>> frag's from my big find in 2007. > A 3.2 > kg Gold Basin from the Nevada
>>> side. > NWA 6581 an LL6. > NWA 10140 Lunar > 1 of only 2 anorthositic
>>> troctolite. > unclassified NWA type3 slices. > > NWA 8663 A complete crusted
>>> eucrite stone with no bids and no reserve! > > > There are others as well,
>>> take a minute and check them out if > interested. > > Thank you. > > > > >
>>> https://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_nkw=&_in_kw=1&_ex_kw=&_sacat=0&_udlo=&_udhi=&_ftrt=901&_ftrv=1&_sabdlo=&_sabdhi=&_samilow=&_samihi=&_sadis=15&_stpos=48438-9655&_sargn=-1%26saslc%3D1&_salic=1&_fss=1&_fsradio=%26LH_SpecificSeller%3D1&_saslop=1&_sasl=alienrockfarm&_sop=12&_dmd=1&_ipg=200
>>>>>>> Sincerely, > Larry Atkins > > > > >
>>> www.CosmicConnectionMeteorites.com
>>> <http://www.CosmicConnectionMeteorites.com> >
>>> <http://www.CosmicConnectionMeteorites.com> > IMCA # 1941 > > > Ebay
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