[meteorite-list] AD - Not All Lunar Meteorites Are Equal

From: Michael Mulgrew <mikestang_at_meteoritecentral.com>
Date: Fri, 8 Sep 2017 09:25:28 -0700
Message-ID: <CAMseTy0_9yxH2ySekTzo2WPyPoSFdg0OXdCcjRwFdL-Sf_C8tQ_at_mail.gmail.com>

Magic rocks 65M y.o. that cure diseases... what's not to believe?

By the way, I have a bridge for sale if anyone is interested.

-Michael in so. Cal.

On Fri, Sep 8, 2017 at 7:08 AM, Graham Ensor via Meteorite-list
<meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com> wrote:
> Interesting if true David but in 20 years of collecting I've come across
> this scenario many times where "authorities" and people new to meteorites
> think they have unique material...always it has turned out to be wrong once
> the respected scientists who regularly work on meteorites get
> involved....good luck though...always here to answer questions if
> possible....be careful.
>
> On 8 Sep 2017 09:54, "Michael Farmer via Meteorite-list"
> <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com> wrote:
>>
>> Then your guy is smoking some really good weed.:)
>>
>> These Chinese crack me up.
>>
>> Michael Farmer
>>
>> > On Sep 7, 2017, at 2:02 PM, David Tann <dbtann at gmail.com> wrote:
>> >
>> > Mike, I didn't make it clear, a syndrome I suppose when you try to type
>> > a quick email on a crowded commuter train in the peak hours of the morning.
>> >
>> > I'm London based, new to meteorites collection as you would have
>> > gathered. This reliable source of mine in China has around 40kg Nantan
>> > amongst a few of his private collector friends. The rest of the 9.5 tons he
>> > claims were either with Chinese authorities (museums, unis and government
>> > run parks) or have been secretly traded abroad particularly in around 1985.
>> >
>> > The much bigger thing however is his claim of a massive amount of non
>> > magmatic meteorites embedded and intertwined in stones, even I know that
>> > would be something really big if proven genuine. They reckon, with
>> > archeologists and geologists' help, those meteorites were from Mars and
>> > crushed to earth 65m years ago! Needless to say, if this was true it would
>> > be something so astonishing that no one would have even dreamed of! The guy
>> > told me they spent over ?1m to protect the secret site and transported the
>> > massive discovery to a private place in Beijing. They also used small
>> > samples of these as "medical stones" in treating some rare disease and
>> > apparently it worked!
>> >
>> > The reason I say he is reliable is that he is introduced to me by my
>> > best friend in China who is at the vice ministerial level, he would not
>> > introduce anyone doggy to me as a friend that's for sure. The guy himself
>> > also has other very high level connections. But of course the only sure way
>> > is to independently verify things, hence my approaching you guys in the
>> > first place.
>> >
>> > Best,
>> >
>> > David
>> >
>> > Sent from my iPhone
>> >
>> >> On 7 Sep 2017, at 14:50, Michael Farmer <mike at meteoriteguy.com> wrote:
>> >>
>> >> Are you joking? There are tons upon tons of Nantan. I've sold nearly a
>> >> half a ton.
>> >> I have a 92 kilo one sitting in Beijing and much more sitting in
>> >> Tucson.
>> >>
>> >> Michael Farmer
>> >>
>> >>> On Sep 7, 2017, at 1:13 AM, David Tann <dbtann at gmail.com> wrote:
>> >>>
>> >>> Thanks, Mike, I'd go even further in saying sadly 99% of the
>> >>> "meteorites" circulating freely in and from China are terrestrial rocks!
>> >>> The real Nantan meteorites in private collection are extremely rare, a total
>> >>> of around 40 kg. There is also a rarer type of meteorites intertwined with
>> >>> and inserted into earth rocks indicating high impact crushing/explosion. I'm
>> >>> happy to be proven wrong but as I said I have reasonable cause to believe my
>> >>> source to be reliable and genuine, although it's going to take me sometime
>> >>> to completely verify and document both types. I would naturally like to have
>> >>> the samples tested. I was hoping you guys would be able to test and analyse
>> >>> the composition of the samples for me, but I'll probably approach the
>> >>> Natural History Museum.
>> >>>
>> >>> Best,
>> >>>
>> >>> David
>> >>> Sent from my iPhone
>> >>>
>> >>>> On 6 Sep 2017, at 20:47, Michael Farmer <mike at meteoriteguy.com>
>> >>>> wrote:
>> >>>>
>> >>>> David. Sorry but I do mineral shows in china. Everyone has a nice
>> >>>> stamped paper from one Chinese government source or another. Actually your
>> >>>> piece certainly looks like Nantan meteorite. Sadly Nantan is nearly
>> >>>> worthless.
>> >>>>
>> >>>> Michael Farmer
>> >>>>
>> >>>>> On Sep 6, 2017, at 11:55 AM, David Tann <dbtann at gmail.com> wrote:
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> Thanks, Mike & Adam, for your valuable comments which I fully
>> >>>>> understand and much appreciate. Fake meteorites and scandalous traders were
>> >>>>> indeed acknowledged as a big problem in China, much like elsewhere.
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> I do however have reasonable confidence in the authenticity of the
>> >>>>> meteorites as they were from no ordinary tom dick and harry but a trusted
>> >>>>> and reliable source with high level connections in China; and they had been
>> >>>>> assessed by professionals and academic experts from the Chinese Academy of
>> >>>>> Sciences as genuine.
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> However, I'd like to have these and a great deal more independently
>> >>>>> tested and verified in the UK. Could you advise on how to go about that
>> >>>>> please?
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> Thank you in advance, your help is much appreciated.
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> David
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>> On 6 Sep 2017, at 16:52, Michael Farmer via Meteorite-list
>> >>>>>> <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com> wrote:
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>> People are suckers and if they want to buy crap then let them. In
>> >>>>>> china most people want cheap. Well real good meteorites aren't cheap. So
>> >>>>>> they buy fakes and are happy with low prices.
>> >>>>>> Michael Farmer
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>>> On Sep 6, 2017, at 9:46 AM, Adam Hupe via Meteorite-list
>> >>>>>>> <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com> wrote:
>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>> It reminds me of the China Syndrome when hundreds of terrestrial
>> >>>>>>> stones were sold to collectors as meteorites on eBay. Anything that was
>> >>>>>>> dark and rounded including iron ore was sold to unsuspecting collectors as
>> >>>>>>> meteorites fleecing them out of thousands of dollars. Some of them even
>> >>>>>>> included old looking collection ID cards.
>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>> Link to China Syndrome:
>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>> http://imca.cc/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=26&Itemid=114
>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>> It was just a matter of time before fraud spread into all sectors
>> >>>>>>> of meteorite collecting. First it affected irons, then Pallasites, then
>> >>>>>>> falls, then Martians and now Lunar material. The worst part is some dealers
>> >>>>>>> are using the IMCA's good name to distribute untested, unproven and in some
>> >>>>>>> cases fake material completely bypassing protections put in place by
>> >>>>>>> following Meteoritical Society protocols which IMCA members are supposed to
>> >>>>>>> adhere to.
>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>> Adam
>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>> On 9/6/2017 7:03 AM, Michael Farmer wrote:
>> >>>>>>>> That's worth about $50
>> >>>>>>>> Michael Farmer
>> >>>>>>>>> On Sep 6, 2017, at 1:36 AM, David Tann <dbtann at gmail.com> wrote:
>> >>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>> Gents,
>> >>>>>>>>> <image1.JPG>
>> >>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>> This 2800g IAB Nantan Meteorite was discovered in 1958 in
>> >>>>>>>>> Nantan, Guanxi, Southwest China. The fall was observed and clearly recorded
>> >>>>>>>>> in Chinese historical literature, it happened on 7 June 1516 over an 8 km
>> >>>>>>>>> length of area. Anyone interested please get in touch.
>> >>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>> David
>> >>>>>>>>> 07771888566
>> >>>>>>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>> >>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>> On 5 Sep 2017, at 17:54, Michael Farmer via Meteorite-list
>> >>>>>>>>>> <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com> wrote:
>> >>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>> I agree fully. Great time to buy.
>> >>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>> Michael Farmer
>> >>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>> On Sep 5, 2017, at 10:31 AM, Adam Hupe via Meteorite-list
>> >>>>>>>>>>> <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com> wrote:
>> >>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>> Just like Martians were a few years ago when the self-pairing
>> >>>>>>>>>>> and piggy-backing reached an all time high at around 2012/NWA 7000. And
>> >>>>>>>>>>> before that, it was falls when some less than honest dealers were
>> >>>>>>>>>>> substituting NWA material in place of the real thing. I remember Claxton,
>> >>>>>>>>>>> which I acquired from Michael Blood later selling for less than a $100.00
>> >>>>>>>>>>> gram due to a lack in collector confidence.
>> >>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>> No meteorite is immune from less than honest business
>> >>>>>>>>>>> practices. Many
>> >>>>>>>>>>> collectors will not touch anything that post dates 2012 and
>> >>>>>>>>>>> are very leery of falls.
>> >>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>> On the bright side. There is no better time to purchase
>> >>>>>>>>>>> genuine lunar material with good provenance and laboratory confirmation
>> >>>>>>>>>>> since the price is sure to go up just like the Martians that were dumped a
>> >>>>>>>>>>> few years ago.
>> >>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>> Adam
>> >>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>> On 9/5/2017 8:30 AM, Michael Farmer wrote:
>> >>>>>>>>>>>> You are pissing in the wind. Lunars are about worthless now.
>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Moroccans have dropped the price to less than that of eucrites. I want just
>> >>>>>>>>>>>> in Morocco. I saw kilos and kilos is lunar.
>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Michael Farmer
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sep 5, 2017, at 9:22 AM, Adam Hupe via Meteorite-list
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com> wrote:
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
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