[meteorite-list] AD - Not All Lunar Meteorites Are Equal (UNTIL FURTHER NOTICE)
From: Galactic Stone & Ironworks <meteoritemike_at_meteoritecentral.com>
Date: Fri, 8 Sep 2017 13:17:08 -0400 Message-ID: <CAKBPJW_fvW+h6h8f4Y7cicUvzu_MBa=0XAMAEYgdOQu1gFYByQ_at_mail.gmail.com> Sales of all non-equal Lunars and Martian Nantans are hereby suspended until further notice. On 9/8/17, Michael Mulgrew via Meteorite-list <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com> wrote: > Magic rocks 65M y.o. that cure diseases... what's not to believe? > > By the way, I have a bridge for sale if anyone is interested. > > -Michael in so. Cal. > > On Fri, Sep 8, 2017 at 7:08 AM, Graham Ensor via Meteorite-list > <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com> wrote: >> Interesting if true David but in 20 years of collecting I've come across >> this scenario many times where "authorities" and people new to meteorites >> think they have unique material...always it has turned out to be wrong >> once >> the respected scientists who regularly work on meteorites get >> involved....good luck though...always here to answer questions if >> possible....be careful. >> >> On 8 Sep 2017 09:54, "Michael Farmer via Meteorite-list" >> <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com> wrote: >>> >>> Then your guy is smoking some really good weed.:) >>> >>> These Chinese crack me up. >>> >>> Michael Farmer >>> >>> > On Sep 7, 2017, at 2:02 PM, David Tann <dbtann at gmail.com> wrote: >>> > >>> > Mike, I didn't make it clear, a syndrome I suppose when you try to type >>> > a quick email on a crowded commuter train in the peak hours of the >>> > morning. >>> > >>> > I'm London based, new to meteorites collection as you would have >>> > gathered. This reliable source of mine in China has around 40kg Nantan >>> > amongst a few of his private collector friends. The rest of the 9.5 >>> > tons he >>> > claims were either with Chinese authorities (museums, unis and >>> > government >>> > run parks) or have been secretly traded abroad particularly in around >>> > 1985. >>> > >>> > The much bigger thing however is his claim of a massive amount of non >>> > magmatic meteorites embedded and intertwined in stones, even I know >>> > that >>> > would be something really big if proven genuine. They reckon, with >>> > archeologists and geologists' help, those meteorites were from Mars and >>> > crushed to earth 65m years ago! Needless to say, if this was true it >>> > would >>> > be something so astonishing that no one would have even dreamed of! The >>> > guy >>> > told me they spent over ?1m to protect the secret site and transported >>> > the >>> > massive discovery to a private place in Beijing. They also used small >>> > samples of these as "medical stones" in treating some rare disease and >>> > apparently it worked! >>> > >>> > The reason I say he is reliable is that he is introduced to me by my >>> > best friend in China who is at the vice ministerial level, he would not >>> > introduce anyone doggy to me as a friend that's for sure. The guy >>> > himself >>> > also has other very high level connections. But of course the only sure >>> > way >>> > is to independently verify things, hence my approaching you guys in the >>> > first place. >>> > >>> > Best, >>> > >>> > David >>> > >>> > Sent from my iPhone >>> > >>> >> On 7 Sep 2017, at 14:50, Michael Farmer <mike at meteoriteguy.com> wrote: >>> >> >>> >> Are you joking? There are tons upon tons of Nantan. I've sold nearly a >>> >> half a ton. >>> >> I have a 92 kilo one sitting in Beijing and much more sitting in >>> >> Tucson. >>> >> >>> >> Michael Farmer >>> >> >>> >>> On Sep 7, 2017, at 1:13 AM, David Tann <dbtann at gmail.com> wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>> Thanks, Mike, I'd go even further in saying sadly 99% of the >>> >>> "meteorites" circulating freely in and from China are terrestrial >>> >>> rocks! >>> >>> The real Nantan meteorites in private collection are extremely rare, >>> >>> a total >>> >>> of around 40 kg. There is also a rarer type of meteorites intertwined >>> >>> with >>> >>> and inserted into earth rocks indicating high impact >>> >>> crushing/explosion. I'm >>> >>> happy to be proven wrong but as I said I have reasonable cause to >>> >>> believe my >>> >>> source to be reliable and genuine, although it's going to take me >>> >>> sometime >>> >>> to completely verify and document both types. I would naturally like >>> >>> to have >>> >>> the samples tested. I was hoping you guys would be able to test and >>> >>> analyse >>> >>> the composition of the samples for me, but I'll probably approach the >>> >>> Natural History Museum. >>> >>> >>> >>> Best, >>> >>> >>> >>> David >>> >>> Sent from my iPhone >>> >>> >>> >>>> On 6 Sep 2017, at 20:47, Michael Farmer <mike at meteoriteguy.com> >>> >>>> wrote: >>> >>>> >>> >>>> David. Sorry but I do mineral shows in china. Everyone has a nice >>> >>>> stamped paper from one Chinese government source or another. >>> >>>> Actually your >>> >>>> piece certainly looks like Nantan meteorite. Sadly Nantan is nearly >>> >>>> worthless. >>> >>>> >>> >>>> Michael Farmer >>> >>>> >>> >>>>> On Sep 6, 2017, at 11:55 AM, David Tann <dbtann at gmail.com> wrote: >>> >>>>> >>> >>>>> Thanks, Mike & Adam, for your valuable comments which I fully >>> >>>>> understand and much appreciate. Fake meteorites and scandalous >>> >>>>> traders were >>> >>>>> indeed acknowledged as a big problem in China, much like elsewhere. >>> >>>>> >>> >>>>> I do however have reasonable confidence in the authenticity of the >>> >>>>> meteorites as they were from no ordinary tom dick and harry but a >>> >>>>> trusted >>> >>>>> and reliable source with high level connections in China; and they >>> >>>>> had been >>> >>>>> assessed by professionals and academic experts from the Chinese >>> >>>>> Academy of >>> >>>>> Sciences as genuine. >>> >>>>> >>> >>>>> However, I'd like to have these and a great deal more independently >>> >>>>> tested and verified in the UK. Could you advise on how to go about >>> >>>>> that >>> >>>>> please? >>> >>>>> >>> >>>>> Thank you in advance, your help is much appreciated. >>> >>>>> >>> >>>>> David >>> >>>>> >>> >>>>> Sent from my iPhone >>> >>>>> >>> >>>>>> On 6 Sep 2017, at 16:52, Michael Farmer via Meteorite-list >>> >>>>>> <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com> wrote: >>> >>>>>> >>> >>>>>> People are suckers and if they want to buy crap then let them. In >>> >>>>>> china most people want cheap. Well real good meteorites aren't >>> >>>>>> cheap. So >>> >>>>>> they buy fakes and are happy with low prices. >>> >>>>>> Michael Farmer >>> >>>>>> >>> >>>>>>> On Sep 6, 2017, at 9:46 AM, Adam Hupe via Meteorite-list >>> >>>>>>> <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com> wrote: >>> >>>>>>> >>> >>>>>>> It reminds me of the China Syndrome when hundreds of terrestrial >>> >>>>>>> stones were sold to collectors as meteorites on eBay. Anything >>> >>>>>>> that was >>> >>>>>>> dark and rounded including iron ore was sold to unsuspecting >>> >>>>>>> collectors as >>> >>>>>>> meteorites fleecing them out of thousands of dollars. Some of >>> >>>>>>> them even >>> >>>>>>> included old looking collection ID cards. >>> >>>>>>> >>> >>>>>>> Link to China Syndrome: >>> >>>>>>> >>> >>>>>>> http://imca.cc/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=26&Itemid=114 >>> >>>>>>> >>> >>>>>>> It was just a matter of time before fraud spread into all sectors >>> >>>>>>> of meteorite collecting. First it affected irons, then >>> >>>>>>> Pallasites, then >>> >>>>>>> falls, then Martians and now Lunar material. The worst part is >>> >>>>>>> some dealers >>> >>>>>>> are using the IMCA's good name to distribute untested, unproven >>> >>>>>>> and in some >>> >>>>>>> cases fake material completely bypassing protections put in place >>> >>>>>>> by >>> >>>>>>> following Meteoritical Society protocols which IMCA members are >>> >>>>>>> supposed to >>> >>>>>>> adhere to. >>> >>>>>>> >>> >>>>>>> Adam >>> >>>>>>> >>> >>>>>>> >>> >>>>>>> >>> >>>>>>>> On 9/6/2017 7:03 AM, Michael Farmer wrote: >>> >>>>>>>> That's worth about $50 >>> >>>>>>>> Michael Farmer >>> >>>>>>>>> On Sep 6, 2017, at 1:36 AM, David Tann <dbtann at gmail.com> >>> >>>>>>>>> wrote: >>> >>>>>>>>> >>> >>>>>>>>> Gents, >>> >>>>>>>>> <image1.JPG> >>> >>>>>>>>> >>> >>>>>>>>> >>> >>>>>>>>> This 2800g IAB Nantan Meteorite was discovered in 1958 in >>> >>>>>>>>> Nantan, Guanxi, Southwest China. The fall was observed and >>> >>>>>>>>> clearly recorded >>> >>>>>>>>> in Chinese historical literature, it happened on 7 June 1516 >>> >>>>>>>>> over an 8 km >>> >>>>>>>>> length of area. Anyone interested please get in touch. >>> >>>>>>>>> >>> >>>>>>>>> David >>> >>>>>>>>> 07771888566 >>> >>>>>>>>> Sent from my iPhone >>> >>>>>>>>> >>> >>>>>>>>>> On 5 Sep 2017, at 17:54, Michael Farmer via Meteorite-list >>> >>>>>>>>>> <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com> wrote: >>> >>>>>>>>>> >>> >>>>>>>>>> I agree fully. Great time to buy. >>> >>>>>>>>>> >>> >>>>>>>>>> Michael Farmer >>> >>>>>>>>>> >>> >>>>>>>>>>> On Sep 5, 2017, at 10:31 AM, Adam Hupe via Meteorite-list >>> >>>>>>>>>>> <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com> wrote: >>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>> >>>>>>>>>>> Just like Martians were a few years ago when the self-pairing >>> >>>>>>>>>>> and piggy-backing reached an all time high at around 2012/NWA >>> >>>>>>>>>>> 7000. And >>> >>>>>>>>>>> before that, it was falls when some less than honest dealers >>> >>>>>>>>>>> were >>> >>>>>>>>>>> substituting NWA material in place of the real thing. I >>> >>>>>>>>>>> remember Claxton, >>> >>>>>>>>>>> which I acquired from Michael Blood later selling for less >>> >>>>>>>>>>> than a $100.00 >>> >>>>>>>>>>> gram due to a lack in collector confidence. >>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>> >>>>>>>>>>> No meteorite is immune from less than honest business >>> >>>>>>>>>>> practices. Many >>> >>>>>>>>>>> collectors will not touch anything that post dates 2012 and >>> >>>>>>>>>>> are very leery of falls. >>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>> >>>>>>>>>>> On the bright side. There is no better time to purchase >>> >>>>>>>>>>> genuine lunar material with good provenance and laboratory >>> >>>>>>>>>>> confirmation >>> >>>>>>>>>>> since the price is sure to go up just like the Martians that >>> >>>>>>>>>>> were dumped a >>> >>>>>>>>>>> few years ago. >>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>> >>>>>>>>>>> Adam >>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>> >>>>>>>>>>>> On 9/5/2017 8:30 AM, Michael Farmer wrote: >>> >>>>>>>>>>>> You are pissing in the wind. Lunars are about worthless now. >>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Moroccans have dropped the price to less than that of >>> >>>>>>>>>>>> eucrites. I want just >>> >>>>>>>>>>>> in Morocco. I saw kilos and kilos is lunar. >>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Michael Farmer >>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sep 5, 2017, at 9:22 AM, Adam Hupe via Meteorite-list >>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com> wrote: >>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>> >>>>>>>>>>> ______________________________________________ >>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>> >>>>>>>>>>> Visit our Facebook page >>> >>>>>>>>>>> https://www.facebook.com/meteoritecentral and the Archives at >>> >>>>>>>>>>> http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com >>> >>>>>>>>>>> Meteorite-list mailing list >>> >>>>>>>>>>> Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com >>> >>>>>>>>>>> https://pairlist3.pair.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list >>> >>>>>>>>>> >>> >>>>>>>>>> ______________________________________________ >>> >>>>>>>>>> >>> >>>>>>>>>> Visit our Facebook page >>> >>>>>>>>>> https://www.facebook.com/meteoritecentral and the Archives at >>> >>>>>>>>>> http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com >>> >>>>>>>>>> Meteorite-list mailing list >>> >>>>>>>>>> Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com >>> >>>>>>>>>> https://pairlist3.pair.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list >>> >>>>>>> ______________________________________________ >>> >>>>>>> >>> >>>>>>> Visit our Facebook page https://www.facebook.com/meteoritecentral >>> >>>>>>> and the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com >>> >>>>>>> Meteorite-list mailing list >>> >>>>>>> Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com >>> >>>>>>> https://pairlist3.pair.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list >>> >>>>>> >>> >>>>>> ______________________________________________ >>> >>>>>> >>> >>>>>> Visit our Facebook page https://www.facebook.com/meteoritecentral >>> >>>>>> and the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com >>> >>>>>> Meteorite-list mailing list >>> >>>>>> Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com >>> >>>>>> https://pairlist3.pair.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list >>> >>>> >>> >> >>> >>> ______________________________________________ >>> >>> Visit our Facebook page https://www.facebook.com/meteoritecentral and the >>> Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com >>> Meteorite-list mailing list >>> Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com >>> https://pairlist3.pair.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list >> >> >> ______________________________________________ >> >> Visit our Facebook page https://www.facebook.com/meteoritecentral and the >> Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com >> Meteorite-list mailing list >> Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com >> https://pairlist3.pair.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list >> > ______________________________________________ > > Visit our Facebook page https://www.facebook.com/meteoritecentral and the > Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com > Meteorite-list mailing list > Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com > https://pairlist3.pair.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list > -- --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Galactic Stone & Ironworks : www.galactic-stone.com Twitter : www.twitter.com/galacticstone -------------------------------------------Received on Fri 08 Sep 2017 01:17:08 PM PDT |
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