[meteorite-list] Prices for SouthWest Dry Lake Finds??? Old Women Meteorite
From: Jim Wooddell <jim.wooddell_at_meteoritecentral.com>
Date: Wed, 21 May 2014 15:55:35 -0700
Hi Carl! I agree it is good where it's at. I really appreciated the
opportunity to touch and see the
Old Woman Meteorite.
The girl in the office gave me the evil eye when I tried to roll it out
of the BLM building!
She thought I was joking around! ;)
If there truly are additional pieces of the old gal, some one ought to
go get it and re-unite them.
I think UCLA should be jumping all over this with a vengeance. Funds
could be raised to retrieve these.
Russia would do it, I bet!
I volunteer to be part of the ground crew and donate money to help make
it happen by a qualified organization
Won't believe it until I see pictures. Hiding something like this is
nuts! I am mean really.
Now back to watching epoxy cure!
I need to call you next week.
On 5/21/2014 2:20 PM, Carl Agee wrote:
> I think the Old Woman could be in worse hands. Last time I checked the
> Smithsonian was our county's repository for national treasures --
> i.e., it belongs to all Americans. I certainly enjoyed seeing the full
> slice on my last visit there -- also good to know that the main mass
> is on display in California for tourists to appreciate.
> Carl Agee
> Carl B. Agee
> Director and Curator, Institute of Meteoritics
> Professor, Earth and Planetary Sciences
> MSC03 2050
> University of New Mexico
> Albuquerque NM 87131-1126
> Tel: (505) 750-7172
> Fax: (505) 277-3577
> Email: agee at unm.edu
> On Wed, May 21, 2014 at 12:20 PM, Jim Wooddell via Meteorite-list
> <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com> wrote:
>> Hi Sonny,
>> I thought the miners..or one of them passed?
>> Let's go get it! Did they say how big the other pieces are?
>> On 5/21/2014 10:58 AM, wahlperry--- via Meteorite-list wrote:
>>> Hey Adam and list
>>>> Not too many peoplehave the resources to fight the federal government.
>>> Just talk to theminers that lost the Old Woman meteorite.
>>> With the Old Women Meteorite a second piece has been found. A third piece
>>> has also been found wedged under a large boulder half exposed. I have tried
>>> to get permission to remove the meteorite. I was told that the meteorite
>>> would be confiscated if recovered and best to leave it alone. This would be
>>> a great case to challenge in court.
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Raremeteorites via Meteorite-list
>>> <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
>>> To: meteorite-list <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
>>> Sent: Wed, May 21, 2014 10:06 am
>>> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Prices for SouthWest Dry Lake Finds???
>>> Sonny, That is great news. I am not saying that every experience with the
>>> BLM has been a negative one for me. I spent hours on the phone with three
>>> different agents from the Barstow and Needles offices and got variable
>>> answers. I was even told it was illegal to bring devices into an area that
>>> also contains heritage items or artifacts. This included a magnet on a
>>> stick. I did manage to get a permit to enter Ivanpah after one of my
>>> friends was ticketed there.The bottom line is that I do not want to see
>>> anybody hassled for selling meteorites found on public land. The only
>>> consistent answer I ever got was that meteorites found on public land are
>>> not to be used for commercial purposes.Sell at your own risk. For me, the
>>> thrill is finding them,Adam----- Original Message ----- From:
>>> <wahlperry at aol.com>To: <raremeteorites at centurylink.net>;
>>> <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>Sent: Wednesday, May 21, 2014 9:49
>>> AMSubject: Re: [meteorite-list] Prices for SouthWest Dry Lake Finds???Hey
>>> Adam, Jim and List,Meteorites are lying around like Easter Eggs you just
>>> need to go outand do a little hunting. I was able to recover 2.5 pounds over
>>> the lastmonth in a new area. Last year while I was hunting the Indian
>>> Buttemeteorite I stopped and talked with two BLM Rangers. We talked
>>> aboutmeteorite hunting. The two rangers had no problem with me hunting
>>> formeteorites and wished me good luck. I have also talked with the LasVegas
>>> BLM regarding meteorite hunting and have had no problem. I didcontact the
>>> State of Arizona about hunting on State Land and theyinformed me that
>>> meteorite hunting on state land is not allowed. So farall of my experiences
>>> with the BLM and meteorite hunting has beenpositive. I can hopefully find
>>> some more Easter Eggs this weekend! : )Sonny-----Original Message-----
>>> From: Raremeteorites via
>>> Meteorite-list<meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>To: meteorite-list
>>> <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>Sent: Wed, May 21, 2014 9:08 amSubject:
>>> Re: [meteorite-list] Prices for SouthWest Dry Lake Finds???The BLM adopted
>>> the UNESCO rules designed to protect culturalproperties and turned them into
>>> laws. These rules have been twistedinto law by government servants
>>> overstepping their authority with nodebate or intelligent input whatsoever.
>>> I talked at great length over10 years ago with the late Richard Norton which
>>> sounded the alarm bellsto anybody who would listen. The BLM strengthened
>>> their position withthe 10 pound limit and commercial permits which will
>>> never be issuedbased on television shows, falsely perceiving that meteorites
>>> are lyingaround like Easter Eggs and are worth a fortune.Not too many
>>> peoplehave the resources to fight the federal government. Just talk to
>>> theminers that lost the Old Woman meteorite. Our group, consisting ofseven
>>> people, were warned by BLM agents from the Needles Californiaoffice that
>>> meteorites are not to be resold and that they monitor eBayand other outlets.
>>> Four prominent meteorite collector/dealers and ascientist were on this trip.
>>> I was personally threatened, as wereother team members, by them and will
>>> leave it at that. Others on thislist have been warned as well. I will
>>> leave it up to other hunters tostep forward with their unsavory experiences
>>> with the BLM if they feelso inclined.It is best to search on private
>>> property with writtenpermission if want to resell your finds. There has
>>> been a lot ofpress about artifact hunters having their entire
>>> collectionsconfiscated if they did not have provenance indicating their
>>> finds weremade on private land. Even then, you are not allowed to dig on
>>> privateproperty for them. They have to be surface finds. Remember, the
>>> "laws"written for artifacts and fossils now apply to meteorites even
>>> thoughmeteorites were never mentioned in the UNESCO guidelines which
>>> wereadopted into law.Jim, I am surprised that with all of the hunting
>>> youhave engaged in over the years that you have not been personallyinvolved
>>> with the BLM in the field. Sometimes you run into areasonable agent, but
>>> more than likely, you will run into one lookingexert their
>>> authority.Adam----- Original Message ----- From: "JimWooddell via
>>> <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>To:<meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.
>>> com>Sent: Wednesday, May 21, 2014 5:06AMSubject: Re: [meteorite-list]
>>> Prices for SouthWest Dry Lake Finds???>Hi Adam and all,>> Just for
>>> clarification on so called BLM Rules.>> TheBLM put out a paper a while back
>>> the stirred up a ruckus. The paper >was a GUIDELINE for area supervisors>
>>> to implement or not. To beclear, they are not rules. And, the BLM has >
>>> failed to issues claimedpermits for> commercial ventures when ask.>> If you
>>> can show me wherethese guidelines have become rules and have > actually
>>> beenimplemented, I'd like to see it.>> Jim>>>> On 5/20/2014 4:25
>>> PM,Raremeteorites via Meteorite-list wrote:>> Hi Jim and All,>>>> Unlessthey
>>> predate 1972, meteorites found on public land cannot be used >>for
>>> commercial purposes according to the BLM interpretations rendering >> them
>>> without commercial value. This is even before the new "laws" >> limited
>>> meteorite recoveries to 10 pounds a year or less without a >> commercial
>>> permit. The interesting thing is not a single commercial >> permit has ever
>>> been issued despite being applied for.>>>> Sorry forthe bad news,>>>> That
>>> is why it so important to treat private landowners with the utmost >>
>>> respect in order to gain access tounrestricted search areas.>>>> Adam>> -- >
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