[meteorite-list] Prices for SouthWest Dry Lake Finds??? Old Women Meteorite

From: Carl Agee <agee_at_meteoritecentral.com>
Date: Wed, 21 May 2014 15:20:44 -0600
Message-ID: <CADYrzho3mBq0=hAsGbOgh6sTW9D3T6pmoMjhDw7_KchC0qkG5w_at_mail.gmail.com>

I think the Old Woman could be in worse hands. Last time I checked the
Smithsonian was our county's repository for national treasures --
i.e., it belongs to all Americans. I certainly enjoyed seeing the full
slice on my last visit there -- also good to know that the main mass
is on display in California for tourists to appreciate.

Carl Agee
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On Wed, May 21, 2014 at 12:20 PM, Jim Wooddell via Meteorite-list
<meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com> wrote:
> Hi Sonny,
>
> I thought the miners..or one of them passed?
>
> Let's go get it! Did they say how big the other pieces are?
>
> Jim
>
>
>
> On 5/21/2014 10:58 AM, wahlperry--- via Meteorite-list wrote:
>>
>> Hey Adam and list
>>
>>> Not too many peoplehave the resources to fight the federal government.
>>
>> Just talk to theminers that lost the Old Woman meteorite.
>>
>> With the Old Women Meteorite a second piece has been found. A third piece
>> has also been found wedged under a large boulder half exposed. I have tried
>> to get permission to remove the meteorite. I was told that the meteorite
>> would be confiscated if recovered and best to leave it alone. This would be
>> a great case to challenge in court.
>>
>> Sonny
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Raremeteorites via Meteorite-list
>> <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
>> To: meteorite-list <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
>> Sent: Wed, May 21, 2014 10:06 am
>> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Prices for SouthWest Dry Lake Finds???
>>
>>
>> Sonny, That is great news. I am not saying that every experience with the
>> BLM has been a negative one for me. I spent hours on the phone with three
>> different agents from the Barstow and Needles offices and got variable
>> answers. I was even told it was illegal to bring devices into an area that
>> also contains heritage items or artifacts. This included a magnet on a
>> stick. I did manage to get a permit to enter Ivanpah after one of my
>> friends was ticketed there.The bottom line is that I do not want to see
>> anybody hassled for selling meteorites found on public land. The only
>> consistent answer I ever got was that meteorites found on public land are
>> not to be used for commercial purposes.Sell at your own risk. For me, the
>> thrill is finding them,Adam----- Original Message ----- From:
>> <wahlperry at aol.com>To: <raremeteorites at centurylink.net>;
>> <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>Sent: Wednesday, May 21, 2014 9:49
>> AMSubject: Re: [meteorite-list] Prices for SouthWest Dry Lake Finds???Hey
>> Adam, Jim and List,Meteorites are lying around like Easter Eggs you just
>> need to go outand do a little hunting. I was able to recover 2.5 pounds over
>> the lastmonth in a new area. Last year while I was hunting the Indian
>> Buttemeteorite I stopped and talked with two BLM Rangers. We talked
>> aboutmeteorite hunting. The two rangers had no problem with me hunting
>> formeteorites and wished me good luck. I have also talked with the LasVegas
>> BLM regarding meteorite hunting and have had no problem. I didcontact the
>> State of Arizona about hunting on State Land and theyinformed me that
>> meteorite hunting on state land is not allowed. So farall of my experiences
>> with the BLM and meteorite hunting has beenpositive. I can hopefully find
>> some more Easter Eggs this weekend! : )Sonny-----Original Message-----
>> From: Raremeteorites via
>> Meteorite-list<meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>To: meteorite-list
>> <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>Sent: Wed, May 21, 2014 9:08 amSubject:
>> Re: [meteorite-list] Prices for SouthWest Dry Lake Finds???The BLM adopted
>> the UNESCO rules designed to protect culturalproperties and turned them into
>> laws. These rules have been twistedinto law by government servants
>> overstepping their authority with nodebate or intelligent input whatsoever.
>> I talked at great length over10 years ago with the late Richard Norton which
>> sounded the alarm bellsto anybody who would listen. The BLM strengthened
>> their position withthe 10 pound limit and commercial permits which will
>> never be issuedbased on television shows, falsely perceiving that meteorites
>> are lyingaround like Easter Eggs and are worth a fortune.Not too many
>> peoplehave the resources to fight the federal government. Just talk to
>> theminers that lost the Old Woman meteorite. Our group, consisting ofseven
>> people, were warned by BLM agents from the Needles Californiaoffice that
>> meteorites are not to be resold and that they monitor eBayand other outlets.
>> Four prominent meteorite collector/dealers and ascientist were on this trip.
>> I was personally threatened, as wereother team members, by them and will
>> leave it at that. Others on thislist have been warned as well. I will
>> leave it up to other hunters tostep forward with their unsavory experiences
>> with the BLM if they feelso inclined.It is best to search on private
>> property with writtenpermission if want to resell your finds. There has
>> been a lot ofpress about artifact hunters having their entire
>> collectionsconfiscated if they did not have provenance indicating their
>> finds weremade on private land. Even then, you are not allowed to dig on
>> privateproperty for them. They have to be surface finds. Remember, the
>> "laws"written for artifacts and fossils now apply to meteorites even
>> thoughmeteorites were never mentioned in the UNESCO guidelines which
>> wereadopted into law.Jim, I am surprised that with all of the hunting
>> youhave engaged in over the years that you have not been personallyinvolved
>> with the BLM in the field. Sometimes you run into areasonable agent, but
>> more than likely, you will run into one lookingexert their
>> authority.Adam----- Original Message ----- From: "JimWooddell via
>> Meteorite-list"
>> <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>To:<meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.
>> com>Sent: Wednesday, May 21, 2014 5:06AMSubject: Re: [meteorite-list]
>> Prices for SouthWest Dry Lake Finds???>Hi Adam and all,>> Just for
>> clarification on so called BLM Rules.>> TheBLM put out a paper a while back
>> the stirred up a ruckus. The paper >was a GUIDELINE for area supervisors>
>> to implement or not. To beclear, they are not rules. And, the BLM has >
>> failed to issues claimedpermits for> commercial ventures when ask.>> If you
>> can show me wherethese guidelines have become rules and have > actually
>> beenimplemented, I'd like to see it.>> Jim>>>> On 5/20/2014 4:25
>> PM,Raremeteorites via Meteorite-list wrote:>> Hi Jim and All,>>>> Unlessthey
>> predate 1972, meteorites found on public land cannot be used >>for
>> commercial purposes according to the BLM interpretations rendering >> them
>> without commercial value. This is even before the new "laws" >> limited
>> meteorite recoveries to 10 pounds a year or less without a >> commercial
>> permit. The interesting thing is not a single commercial >> permit has ever
>> been issued despite being applied for.>>>> Sorry forthe bad news,>>>> That
>> is why it so important to treat private landowners with the utmost >>
>> respect in order to gain access tounrestricted search areas.>>>> Adam>> -- >
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