[meteorite-list] Prices for SouthWest Dry Lake Finds??? Old Women Meteorite

From: Carl Agee <agee_at_meteoritecentral.com>
Date: Wed, 21 May 2014 15:20:44 -0600
Message-ID: <CADYrzho3mBq0=hAsGbOgh6sTW9D3T6pmoMjhDw7_KchC0qkG5w_at_mail.gmail.com>

I think the Old Woman could be in worse hands. Last time I checked the
Smithsonian was our county's repository for national treasures --
i.e., it belongs to all Americans. I certainly enjoyed seeing the full
slice on my last visit there -- also good to know that the main mass
is on display in California for tourists to appreciate.

Carl Agee
Carl B. Agee
Director and Curator, Institute of Meteoritics
Professor, Earth and Planetary Sciences
MSC03 2050
University of New Mexico
Albuquerque NM 87131-1126

Tel: (505) 750-7172
Fax: (505) 277-3577
Email: agee at unm.edu

On Wed, May 21, 2014 at 12:20 PM, Jim Wooddell via Meteorite-list
<meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com> wrote:
> Hi Sonny,
> I thought the miners..or one of them passed?
> Let's go get it! Did they say how big the other pieces are?
> Jim
> On 5/21/2014 10:58 AM, wahlperry--- via Meteorite-list wrote:
>> Hey Adam and list
>>> Not too many peoplehave the resources to fight the federal government.
>> Just talk to theminers that lost the Old Woman meteorite.
>> With the Old Women Meteorite a second piece has been found. A third piece
>> has also been found wedged under a large boulder half exposed. I have tried
>> to get permission to remove the meteorite. I was told that the meteorite
>> would be confiscated if recovered and best to leave it alone. This would be
>> a great case to challenge in court.
>> Sonny
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Raremeteorites via Meteorite-list
>> <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
>> To: meteorite-list <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
>> Sent: Wed, May 21, 2014 10:06 am
>> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Prices for SouthWest Dry Lake Finds???
>> Sonny, That is great news. I am not saying that every experience with the
>> BLM has been a negative one for me. I spent hours on the phone with three
>> different agents from the Barstow and Needles offices and got variable
>> answers. I was even told it was illegal to bring devices into an area that
>> also contains heritage items or artifacts. This included a magnet on a
>> stick. I did manage to get a permit to enter Ivanpah after one of my
>> friends was ticketed there.The bottom line is that I do not want to see
>> anybody hassled for selling meteorites found on public land. The only
>> consistent answer I ever got was that meteorites found on public land are
>> not to be used for commercial purposes.Sell at your own risk. For me, the
>> thrill is finding them,Adam----- Original Message ----- From:
>> <wahlperry at aol.com>To: <raremeteorites at centurylink.net>;
>> <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>Sent: Wednesday, May 21, 2014 9:49
>> AMSubject: Re: [meteorite-list] Prices for SouthWest Dry Lake Finds???Hey
>> Adam, Jim and List,Meteorites are lying around like Easter Eggs you just
>> need to go outand do a little hunting. I was able to recover 2.5 pounds over
>> the lastmonth in a new area. Last year while I was hunting the Indian
>> Buttemeteorite I stopped and talked with two BLM Rangers. We talked
>> aboutmeteorite hunting. The two rangers had no problem with me hunting
>> formeteorites and wished me good luck. I have also talked with the LasVegas
>> BLM regarding meteorite hunting and have had no problem. I didcontact the
>> State of Arizona about hunting on State Land and theyinformed me that
>> meteorite hunting on state land is not allowed. So farall of my experiences
>> with the BLM and meteorite hunting has beenpositive. I can hopefully find
>> some more Easter Eggs this weekend! : )Sonny-----Original Message-----
>> From: Raremeteorites via
>> Meteorite-list<meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>To: meteorite-list
>> <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>Sent: Wed, May 21, 2014 9:08 amSubject:
>> Re: [meteorite-list] Prices for SouthWest Dry Lake Finds???The BLM adopted
>> the UNESCO rules designed to protect culturalproperties and turned them into
>> laws. These rules have been twistedinto law by government servants
>> overstepping their authority with nodebate or intelligent input whatsoever.
>> I talked at great length over10 years ago with the late Richard Norton which
>> sounded the alarm bellsto anybody who would listen. The BLM strengthened
>> their position withthe 10 pound limit and commercial permits which will
>> never be issuedbased on television shows, falsely perceiving that meteorites
>> are lyingaround like Easter Eggs and are worth a fortune.Not too many
>> peoplehave the resources to fight the federal government. Just talk to
>> theminers that lost the Old Woman meteorite. Our group, consisting ofseven
>> people, were warned by BLM agents from the Needles Californiaoffice that
>> meteorites are not to be resold and that they monitor eBayand other outlets.
>> Four prominent meteorite collector/dealers and ascientist were on this trip.
>> I was personally threatened, as wereother team members, by them and will
>> leave it at that. Others on thislist have been warned as well. I will
>> leave it up to other hunters tostep forward with their unsavory experiences
>> with the BLM if they feelso inclined.It is best to search on private
>> property with writtenpermission if want to resell your finds. There has
>> been a lot ofpress about artifact hunters having their entire
>> collectionsconfiscated if they did not have provenance indicating their
>> finds weremade on private land. Even then, you are not allowed to dig on
>> privateproperty for them. They have to be surface finds. Remember, the
>> "laws"written for artifacts and fossils now apply to meteorites even
>> thoughmeteorites were never mentioned in the UNESCO guidelines which
>> wereadopted into law.Jim, I am surprised that with all of the hunting
>> youhave engaged in over the years that you have not been personallyinvolved
>> with the BLM in the field. Sometimes you run into areasonable agent, but
>> more than likely, you will run into one lookingexert their
>> authority.Adam----- Original Message ----- From: "JimWooddell via
>> Meteorite-list"
>> <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>To:<meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.
>> com>Sent: Wednesday, May 21, 2014 5:06AMSubject: Re: [meteorite-list]
>> Prices for SouthWest Dry Lake Finds???>Hi Adam and all,>> Just for
>> clarification on so called BLM Rules.>> TheBLM put out a paper a while back
>> the stirred up a ruckus. The paper >was a GUIDELINE for area supervisors>
>> to implement or not. To beclear, they are not rules. And, the BLM has >
>> failed to issues claimedpermits for> commercial ventures when ask.>> If you
>> can show me wherethese guidelines have become rules and have > actually
>> beenimplemented, I'd like to see it.>> Jim>>>> On 5/20/2014 4:25
>> PM,Raremeteorites via Meteorite-list wrote:>> Hi Jim and All,>>>> Unlessthey
>> predate 1972, meteorites found on public land cannot be used >>for
>> commercial purposes according to the BLM interpretations rendering >> them
>> without commercial value. This is even before the new "laws" >> limited
>> meteorite recoveries to 10 pounds a year or less without a >> commercial
>> permit. The interesting thing is not a single commercial >> permit has ever
>> been issued despite being applied for.>>>> Sorry forthe bad news,>>>> That
>> is why it so important to treat private landowners with the utmost >>
>> respect in order to gain access tounrestricted search areas.>>>> Adam>> -- >
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