[meteorite-list] Meteorite Picture of the Day

From: Michael Farmer <mike_at_meteoritecentral.com>
Date: Fri, 4 Jan 2013 18:57:04 -0700
Message-ID: <94F5C823-A4B2-4D2A-8C13-969076AE1813_at_meteoriteguy.com>

I find this new attempt to change terminology disturbing. I have hundreds of old catalogs from the top museums and dealers from more than 200 years ago till today, all of them list falls and finds. None of them discuss unobserved falls as an acceptable alternative.
Are we really ready to just accept anything thrown out there, and watch as all manner of BS is used to discredit hundreds of years of accepted terminology?
My private collection focuses on witnessed falls, with date and time and science to back it up.
I am not interested in another group which would include every meteorite ever to have fallen, since they did actually all fall at some point.
Well, I guess Anne can delete her birthday fall calendar page since now we can simply put every NWA on any date you choose to believe it might have possibly fallen:).


Michael Farmer

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On Jan 4, 2013, at 6:47 PM, "Mike Bandli" <fuzzfoot at comcast.net> wrote:

> If a meteorite falls from the sky and no one is there to hear it, does it
> make a sound?
>
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> Sent: Friday, January 04, 2013 5:36 PM
> To: Anne Black
> Cc: meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com; valparint at aol.com
> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Meteorite Picture of the Day
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> Right, Anne. That is why they are referred to as a "Fall" or a "Find".
> Concise!
> Cheers, Fred Hall
>
>> Every single meteorite ever found on Earth is necessarily the result
>> of a fall, they are not native to Earth. The only difference is that
>> some falls are seen, witnessed, and some, the vast majoriry, are not.
>>
>> So calling them Observed or Unobserved falls is logical. That is what
>> happened to all of them.
>> That is simple reality.
>>
>>
>> Anne M. Black
>> www.IMPACTIKA.com
>> IMPACTIKA at aol.com
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>> -----Original Message-----
>> tFrom: hall <hall at meteorhall.com>
>> To: Michael Farmer <mike at meteoriteguy.com>
>> Cc: meteorite-list <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>; valparint
>> <valparint at aol.com>
>> Sent: Fri, Jan 4, 2013 6:13 pm
>> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Meteorite Picture of the Day
>>
>>
>> An "unobserved fall" is two words to describe the one word that has
>> been used for a century, "Find". The one word "Find" is good enough
>> for the Catalogue of Meteorites, it was good enough for Harvey
>> Nininger, and it is what I shall always use. Keep it concise.
>> Regards, Fred Hall
>>
>>
>>
>> That would make sense for say New Orleans, where a stone went through
>> a
>>> house and no one in their right mind would suggest that it did not
>> fall at
>>> that time say between 8 am and 4 pm when there was no hole in the
>> house,
>>> yet it was not seen to fall.
>>> An old rock found in a field does not suggest anything about fall
>> date. So
>>> it is a find, something never really argued against until now?
>>> It has crust which can suggest it is not thousands of years old, most
>> of
>>> our Springwater meteorites have black and blue crust but nevertheless
>> it
>>> is a find.
>>> Michael Farmer
>>>
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>
>>> On Jan 4, 2013, at 10:28 AM, <valparint at aol.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> An "unobserved fall" is, well, a fall that was not observed, in
>>>> contradistinction to a fall that was observed. The terminology of
>>>> the Meteoritical Bulletin Database is "Observed fall: no".
>>>>
>>>> The information being conveyed is NOT that the meteorite fell but
>> that
>>>> the fall was not observed.
>>>>
>>>> In general, the questions about falling and finding are:
>>>>
>>>> 1) was the fall observed?
>>>> 2) if so, when was it observed?
>>>> 3) if not, is there any guesstimate of when it fell?
>>>> 4) regardless of weather it was observed or not, when was it
>>>> actually found?
>>>>
>>>> Paul Swartz
>>>> MPOD webmaster
>>>>
>>>>> What is an "unobserved fall"? Every meteorite fell at some point. I
>>>>> have thousands of unobserved falls in my collection.
>>>>> Michael Farmer
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