[meteorite-list] Doug Schmitt's Talk at TEDxVancouver on 21st October 2012

From: Adam Hupe <raremeteorites_at_meteoritecentral.com>
Date: Thu, 7 Feb 2013 08:11:44 -0800 (PST)
Message-ID: <1360253504.90465.YahooMailNeo_at_web122001.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>

Unfortunately, a thumbs down will only encourage him that his false message is reaching the masses.? He might consider himself some kind of superhero that is fed by the press and any input at all will only serve strengthen his resolve. It is a simple mater to attract the press/media when grandstanding and feeding an ego on falsities. We have seen this a lot lately!


We can give this Canadian credit for effectively influencing American law? by using the UNESCO papers to convince less-than-knowledgeable curators, scientists and lawmakers that meteorites should be considered antiquities or cultural objects that need to be protected at all costs.

Give a person like this any press or attention at all and they will run with it.? Take the Steve Curry case for instance.

There is no getting through to someone who considers them some kind of superhero and loves looking at themselves and hearing their own name in the media.

Adam

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----- Original Message -----
From: Yinan Wang <veomega at gmail.com>
To: Mendy Ouzillou <ouzillou at yahoo.com>
Cc: MEM <mstreman53 at yahoo.com>; Adam Hupe <raremeteorites at yahoo.com>; Adam <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
Sent: Wednesday, February 6, 2013 9:59 PM
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Doug Schmitt's Talk at TEDxVancouver on 21st October 2012

Hi All,

I admit to not having watched the video yet (too busy looking for
meteorites in Tucson), but as a quick thing:

If you don't like his talk, I highly recommend clicking the "thumbs
down" button in Youtube and stating some facts and feelings in the
commentary. Make social media work for you!

-Yinan



On Thu, Feb 7, 2013 at 12:04 AM, Mendy Ouzillou <ouzillou at yahoo.com> wrote:
> The facts below are very well stated. So, we can either tear apart arguments
> but hold our tongues, or we can put together a news release of our own
> highlighting the incredible (and only most recent) collaboration between
> meteorite hunters, collectors and scientists on Black Beauty and its
> sisters. I would like to call on the IMCA to speak out in defense of the "C"
> in IMCA to raise awareness of the good work going on. Yes, maybe there are a
> few bad apples in the hunting and collecting community, but the scientific
> community is not perfect either. Again, let's focus on the good.
> I'm not one to allow me or the community at large (which includes
> thoughtful, inclusive and appreciative scientists/meteoriticists) to be
> slandered or be given a black eye without a fight.
> As I have stated multiple times before, I'm happy to help craft a news
> release, but can't do it by myself. So, in the scientific community, anyone
> willing to go on the record and be quoted (does not have to be in relation
> to Black Beauty) in response to this specific issue? Even better, anyone out
> there want to be the "goto" person, i.e. an advocate, to respond to these
> negative remarks. I am aware of Marc Fries doing a very nice job of this,
> and others, but unfortunately this is a message that must be continuously
> reinforced.
> Thoughts?
> Mendy
> -----Original Message-----
> From: meteorite-list-bounces at meteoritecentral.com
> [mailto:meteorite-list-bounces at meteoritecentral.com] On Behalf Of MEM
> Sent: Wednesday, February 06, 2013 5:56 PM
> To: Adam Hupe; Adam
> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Doug Schmitt's Talk at TEDxVancouver on 21st
> October 2012
>
> Let me get this in perspective.? 25,000+ meteorites are locked up in ANSMET
> deep freezers wholly available to researchers only.? Another? 31,000+? non
> ANSMET ( ANSMET and METBUL figures) are in the met bulletin.? All meteorites
> passing muster have between 100% and 20% owned by approved/certified
> institutions of curation.
>
> As Emma Peel the Wendy's Lady might have said..."Where's the beef?"
>
> So please someone somewhere give me the name of a credentialed researcher
> anywhere in the world that cannot get hold of specific material to do their
> research? Were it not for the collector community there would not be the
> 1000's of newly found meteorites available in the first place.
>
> How many confirmed but non-NONCOM approved, distinct meteorites are totally
> in private hands without a speck available for research?? Does anyone on the
> list have an unclassified NWA that would not gladly share a portion if a
> scientist came calling?
>
> The blurb bout selling it "illegally on ebay" is outright fear mongering. If
> he is a maritime law expert shouldn't he be calling us "pirates" as well?
> And speaking of slander, why is no one publicly concerned about Jennskins'
> interviews where he talks about "Outlaw meteorite hunters"and the "meteorite
> black market"? Give me an answer and I'll hold my tongue and(Chicago
> convention excepted) speak no more of it.? I do not care that he is "Mister
> Meteor" nor that he may be world renown but he shouldn't be given a pass on
> his uninformed public statements regarding our community.? I really would
> like to see his direct response published, should he ever again be misquoted
> like the "black market" statements regarding the Gabal Kamal Iron. We would
> have his position on record.? Better yet, if he truly understood from an
> informed position he might never make disparaging comments to reporters.
>
> Which brings us to the other meteorite law logical fallacy: "Cultural
> property" and Doug Schmitt's building on the "cultural heritage defense to
> outlaw private ownership of meteorites.? Where a meteorite should land is
> random so its ascension to protected "native heritage/cultural object" is
> unfounded.? I understand Willemitte and Hoba, perhaps Cape York owing to
> separate reasons.? If they were men of integrity they would just pass their
> LOCAL laws regarding meteorite ownership. And let the rest of the world be.
> By using cultural object status they are violating their own obligation to
> preserve in tact and not slice it up for study.
>
> Elton
>
> PS:? So according to Schmitt's TED talk only iron meteorites originate in
> the asteroid belt and are the oldest objects in the universe(sic)
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: Adam Hupe <raremeteorites at yahoo.com>
>> To: Adam <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
>> Cc:
>> Sent: Wednesday, February 6, 2013 5:14 PM
>> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Doug Schmitt's Talk at TEDxVancouver on
>> 21st October 2012
>>
>>
>> In my opinion, NOT a friend of the meteorite hunting community.
>>
>>
>> Seems he found his
>> 22-minutes worth of fame outside of his area of expertise.? He should
>> stick to maritime law instead of demonizing the commercial aspects of
>> meteorite hunting which have contributed far more to science than his
>> videotaped self-promoting blather.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: karmaka <karmaka-meteorites at t-online.de>
>> To: met-list <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
>> Cc:
>> Sent: Wednesday, February 6, 2013 11:16 AM
>> Subject: [meteorite-list] Doug Schmitt's Talk at TEDxVancouver on 21st
>> October 2012
>>
>> There Are 5,000 Meteors Heading Our Way... Now What?:
>>
>> Doug Schmitt at TEDxVancouver on 21st October 2012
>>
>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LqcHaN91YSA
>>
>> " Doug Schmitt is a Partner with Alexander Holburn Beaudin + Lang LLP,
>> who has been practicing maritime law for over 32 years. Drawing on
>> similarities to the law of the seas, Doug has become one of the
>> world's few published authors on meteorite law. A member of the
>> Meteoritical Society, a non-profit scholarly organization founded in
>> 1933 to promote the study of extraterrestrial materials, he sits on
>> that organization's Working Group drafting the code of ethics for
>> collecting and distributing meteorites. Doug's scientific and legal
>> backgrounds position him ideally to offer insight from two distinct
>> disciplines into a fascinating topic: the possible consequences for
> humankind of a failure to properly study meteorites."
>>
>> Martin
>>
>>
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