[meteorite-list] Doug Schmitt's Talk at TEDxVancouver on 21st October 2012

From: Yinan Wang <veomega_at_meteoritecentral.com>
Date: Thu, 7 Feb 2013 00:59:41 -0500
Message-ID: <CALpO9Hfo33vsNuEQYaFN9hCcCBrd5arJpVWeQSfJD85GNrC30A_at_mail.gmail.com>

Hi All,

I admit to not having watched the video yet (too busy looking for
meteorites in Tucson), but as a quick thing:

If you don't like his talk, I highly recommend clicking the "thumbs
down" button in Youtube and stating some facts and feelings in the
commentary. Make social media work for you!

-Yinan



On Thu, Feb 7, 2013 at 12:04 AM, Mendy Ouzillou <ouzillou at yahoo.com> wrote:
> The facts below are very well stated. So, we can either tear apart arguments
> but hold our tongues, or we can put together a news release of our own
> highlighting the incredible (and only most recent) collaboration between
> meteorite hunters, collectors and scientists on Black Beauty and its
> sisters. I would like to call on the IMCA to speak out in defense of the "C"
> in IMCA to raise awareness of the good work going on. Yes, maybe there are a
> few bad apples in the hunting and collecting community, but the scientific
> community is not perfect either. Again, let's focus on the good.
> I'm not one to allow me or the community at large (which includes
> thoughtful, inclusive and appreciative scientists/meteoriticists) to be
> slandered or be given a black eye without a fight.
> As I have stated multiple times before, I'm happy to help craft a news
> release, but can't do it by myself. So, in the scientific community, anyone
> willing to go on the record and be quoted (does not have to be in relation
> to Black Beauty) in response to this specific issue? Even better, anyone out
> there want to be the "goto" person, i.e. an advocate, to respond to these
> negative remarks. I am aware of Marc Fries doing a very nice job of this,
> and others, but unfortunately this is a message that must be continuously
> reinforced.
> Thoughts?
> Mendy
> -----Original Message-----
> From: meteorite-list-bounces at meteoritecentral.com
> [mailto:meteorite-list-bounces at meteoritecentral.com] On Behalf Of MEM
> Sent: Wednesday, February 06, 2013 5:56 PM
> To: Adam Hupe; Adam
> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Doug Schmitt's Talk at TEDxVancouver on 21st
> October 2012
>
> Let me get this in perspective. 25,000+ meteorites are locked up in ANSMET
> deep freezers wholly available to researchers only. Another 31,000+? non
> ANSMET ( ANSMET and METBUL figures) are in the met bulletin. All meteorites
> passing muster have between 100% and 20% owned by approved/certified
> institutions of curation.
>
> As Emma Peel the Wendy's Lady might have said..."Where's the beef?"
>
> So please someone somewhere give me the name of a credentialed researcher
> anywhere in the world that cannot get hold of specific material to do their
> research? Were it not for the collector community there would not be the
> 1000's of newly found meteorites available in the first place.
>
> How many confirmed but non-NONCOM approved, distinct meteorites are totally
> in private hands without a speck available for research? Does anyone on the
> list have an unclassified NWA that would not gladly share a portion if a
> scientist came calling?
>
> The blurb bout selling it "illegally on ebay" is outright fear mongering. If
> he is a maritime law expert shouldn't he be calling us "pirates" as well?
> And speaking of slander, why is no one publicly concerned about Jennskins'
> interviews where he talks about "Outlaw meteorite hunters"and the "meteorite
> black market"? Give me an answer and I'll hold my tongue and(Chicago
> convention excepted) speak no more of it. I do not care that he is "Mister
> Meteor" nor that he may be world renown but he shouldn't be given a pass on
> his uninformed public statements regarding our community. I really would
> like to see his direct response published, should he ever again be misquoted
> like the "black market" statements regarding the Gabal Kamal Iron. We would
> have his position on record. Better yet, if he truly understood from an
> informed position he might never make disparaging comments to reporters.
>
> Which brings us to the other meteorite law logical fallacy: "Cultural
> property" and Doug Schmitt's building on the "cultural heritage defense to
> outlaw private ownership of meteorites. Where a meteorite should land is
> random so its ascension to protected "native heritage/cultural object" is
> unfounded. I understand Willemitte and Hoba, perhaps Cape York owing to
> separate reasons. If they were men of integrity they would just pass their
> LOCAL laws regarding meteorite ownership. And let the rest of the world be.
> By using cultural object status they are violating their own obligation to
> preserve in tact and not slice it up for study.
>
> Elton
>
> PS: So according to Schmitt's TED talk only iron meteorites originate in
> the asteroid belt and are the oldest objects in the universe(sic)
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: Adam Hupe <raremeteorites at yahoo.com>
>> To: Adam <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
>> Cc:
>> Sent: Wednesday, February 6, 2013 5:14 PM
>> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Doug Schmitt's Talk at TEDxVancouver on
>> 21st October 2012
>>
>>
>> In my opinion, NOT a friend of the meteorite hunting community.
>>
>>
>> Seems he found his
>> 22-minutes worth of fame outside of his area of expertise. He should
>> stick to maritime law instead of demonizing the commercial aspects of
>> meteorite hunting which have contributed far more to science than his
>> videotaped self-promoting blather.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: karmaka <karmaka-meteorites at t-online.de>
>> To: met-list <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
>> Cc:
>> Sent: Wednesday, February 6, 2013 11:16 AM
>> Subject: [meteorite-list] Doug Schmitt's Talk at TEDxVancouver on 21st
>> October 2012
>>
>> There Are 5,000 Meteors Heading Our Way... Now What?:
>>
>> Doug Schmitt at TEDxVancouver on 21st October 2012
>>
>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LqcHaN91YSA
>>
>> " Doug Schmitt is a Partner with Alexander Holburn Beaudin + Lang LLP,
>> who has been practicing maritime law for over 32 years. Drawing on
>> similarities to the law of the seas, Doug has become one of the
>> world's few published authors on meteorite law. A member of the
>> Meteoritical Society, a non-profit scholarly organization founded in
>> 1933 to promote the study of extraterrestrial materials, he sits on
>> that organization's Working Group drafting the code of ethics for
>> collecting and distributing meteorites. Doug's scientific and legal
>> backgrounds position him ideally to offer insight from two distinct
>> disciplines into a fascinating topic: the possible consequences for
> humankind of a failure to properly study meteorites."
>>
>> Martin
>>
>>
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