[meteorite-list] New BLM Rules

From: Jim Wooddell <jimwooddell_at_meteoritecentral.com>
Date: Sun, 23 Sep 2012 06:33:32 -0700
Message-ID: <CAH_zgwHdyhi05i-VF+H2FjuhShQaEoQyCQqQ7WtkOnFti4R=Rg_at_mail.gmail.com>

Hello Adam and all

I beleive the NEW 1099-B may cover meteorites! Look at the Barter
Exchange clause!

Jim


On Fri, Sep 21, 2012 at 7:38 AM, Adam Hupe <raremeteorites at yahoo.com> wrote:
> If you find a 10.01 pound meteorite on federal land, do not take a picture of it with your cell phone if you are a poacher. The GPS coordinates will be imbedded in the image. The Onstar or other system in your car will also track every one of your moves. This is how rental car agencies can tell if you have taken one of their cars off-road.
>
>
> The new bullion form for gold, platinum and silver is a 1099-B not a 1009-B as I stated in my last email. Yes, this is a real tax increase and was hidden in 2010 under the new health care reform. Talk to your accountant in order to avoid fines and penalties. A worst case nightmare would be a 1099-M form for meteorites. Just kidding although it may be another way for the hogs at the feeding through to take another bite.
>
> Take Care,
>
> Adam
>
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Galactic Stone & Ironworks <meteoritemike at gmail.com>
> To: Shawn Alan <photophlow at yahoo.com>
> Cc: Meteorite Central <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
> Sent: Friday, September 21, 2012 6:48 AM
> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] New BLM Rules
>
> Hi List,
>
> The new rule is missing a chromosome. (to put it nicely)
>
> But, if they are going to let this madness stand, then at least they
> should distinguish between a fresh fall and old finds. Perhaps an
> exception can be made for the recovery of new falls? If a new fall
> happens over BLM land, the manager for that area could be informed and
> he/she could waive the rule for that event.
>
> Also, I agree with what some of the others here have already said.
> All this will do is push meteorite hunting into the black market -
> just like arrowheads and fossils.
>
> Authority : "Do you have paperwork for that arrowhead/fossil?"
>
> Finder : "No, it comes from an old collection back in the 1930's, it's
> grandfathered in." (wink)
>
> Best regards,
>
> MikeG
>
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> On 9/21/12, Shawn Alan <photophlow at yahoo.com> wrote:
>> Hello Listers
>>
>> What is confusing for me is that its seem the new BLM rules make it
>> impossible for scientist and institutions to hunt and collect "meteorites"
>> in the name for science, I wonder why? You would think it would be just as
>> easy for scientist as it is with the casual collector. As speaking of a
>> casual collectors, how could one be 100% its a meteorite? At the end of the
>> day, its a stone until otherwise prove or disprove by someone with
>> expertise.
>>
>> Shawn Alan
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>>
>>
>>
>> [meteorite-list] New BLM Rules
>> Jeff Grossman jngrossman
>> at gmail.com
>> Thu Sep 20 19:06:11 EDT 2012
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>>
>> All,
>>
>> For those of you who don't know, I contribute to
>> this list as a private
>> citizen, but I work at NASA headquarters, with duties
>> that extend to
>> oversight of curation and research programs. I will be
>> reading all
>> posts on the list pertaining to this issue.
>>
>> Jeff
>>
>> On 9/20/2012 6:37 PM, Jim Wooddell wrote:
>>
>>>I have been in
>> communications with the BLM on and off all day. Art,
>>
>>>thank
>> for the HTML reminder as I have been trying to post all day and
>>
>>>thought I had this set correctly!
>>
>>>
>>
>>>Here is the first response:
>>
>>>
>>
>>>Dear Mr. Wooddell: The application fee is dependent on the
>> time it
>>
>>>takes for BLM to process the project proposal in the
>> application. This
>>
>>>would be determined by the field office
>> manager after the application
>>
>>>is submitted and reviewed.
>> These fees would be estimated for you prior
>>
>>>to the
>> processing of the application, and would include monitoring
>>
>>>fees as well. The permit application/ permit is 2920-1 attached; fees
>>
>>>would be on page 2 when a permit is issued. Some examples of
>> what the
>>
>>>fees would be can be found on the following web
>> site and one example
>>
>>>is attached. http://www.blm.gov/wo/st/en/prog/more/lands.html You
>>
>>>mentioned a ?nation-wide? permit in your email. BLM
>> issues permits on
>>
>>>a local level, and at maximum could be on
>> a state-wide level, for
>>
>>>lands that we administer in the
>> Western States. Thank you,Lucia Kuizon
>>
>>>---
>>
>>>
>>
>>>I am not going to post their second
>> response but they are now aware of
>>
>>>some issues that may or
>> may not change the wording.
>>
>>>
>>
>>>I feel it is
>> imperative for NASA to reach out and support hunters on
>>
>>>this
>> issue in regards to the need to hunt fresh falls immediately,
>>
>>>without delay of some permit process. While they are
>> claiming media
>>
>>>sparked this, most of us knew it was coming,
>> just did not know when or
>>
>>>how the wording would be.
>>
>>>
>>
>>>The current fee structure is twofold. 1.
>> The application / permit.
>>
>>>2. The monitoring fee. Currently
>> the fees will range from ~$100 to
>>
>>>~$1100 for commercial
>> hunters....those seeking profit. This is based
>>
>>>on their
>> current cost recovery methods. I have both the application
>>
>>>and the fee schedule as example based on the above response. If
>>
>>>anyone wants them shoot me a private email.
>>
>>>
>>
>>>The big issue for hunters is that this
>> will be based on a regional
>>
>>>level where each district
>> supervisor may or may not have special
>>
>>>conditions, etc.
>> Bottom line is that it will be required to have
>>
>>>permits in
>> different hunting areas and could greatly increase overhead
>>
>>>for professional hunters. If hunters have to wait for a permit
>>
>>>process during a meteor event that produces meteorites, I
>> feel science
>>
>>>looses.
>>
>>>
>>
>>>Regards,
>>
>>>
>>
>>>Jim
>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>
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