[meteorite-list] [Was:]10 Falls this year [Now:] Government/BLM Property

From: Jodie Reynolds <spacerocks_at_meteoritecentral.com>
Date: Sun, 4 Nov 2012 15:56:44 -0800
Message-ID: <1934330604.20121104155644_at_spaceballoon.org>

Hello Adam and list -

I've tried to resist the urge, but I've given up the fight:

The mistake we made was in not hanging the person in the public
square who first coined the term "Government Property". Which is, of
course, a misnomer. The "government" can't "own" real property.
We, you and I and the rest of us, pick-out a group and ask them to
hold the property that WE own in trust.

There's a lot of water under that bridge now. The servant has
forgotten their place and who their masters are.

In business turn-arounds we have an expression: "Landmark Firing".
Firing someone who "can't be fired" to demonstrate that we're not
kidding.

Disband the National Park Service. Give the land into management of
the BLM with a stern tap on the nose with a rolled-up paper and the
reminder that they work for us, they hold it in our trust, and they
could just as easily be next.

We either collectively begin to remind these clowns who their masters
are, or we can sit and moan and watch it all head down the tubes as
we're further and further enslaved to our own servant's whims.

And with that - I'm done, promise! Anything further I'll take
off-list. ;-)

--- Jodie





Sunday, November 4, 2012, 12:34:28 PM, you wrote:

> Hi Ben,


> They were not BLM agents this time, just government employed
> "researchers" emboldened by the new laws governing meteorite
> hunting.?? I will let the hunters in the field relay first-hand what
> happened as their report should be accurate.? Hopefully they will
> provide some names so we know who to avoid.

> All I have to say about Gold Basin and eBay is that any reviewer
> can cause problems for sellers by saying something was obtained on
> federal or state land and quote these new BLM rules.? I was also
> told directly, along with a hunting party, by a BLM agent from
> Needles, California that they do monitor eBay and websites for
> meteorites found on federal land.? I will even go as far as to state
> their is a snitch among us pretending to be helpful.? He is
> well-known and pretends to be interested in the science although his
> actions dictate otherwise.? I will not mention his name here on the
> List as it would create a huge controversy which this snitch
> involved our group in before.? He caused a major headache for us.


> I have not had any problems with BLM agents here in Nevada although
> they are federal so they can cross state lines any time.? The last
> one I ran into was very helpful and was actually knowledgeable about
> collecting mineral samples, evening referencing his book for us.? He
> did state that nothing collected on federal land could be used for
> commercial purposes without a permit.? On the other hand, some BLM
> agents from California seem to make up their own rules as they
> certainly are not listed in book or website that I have ever seen.


> Happy hunting,

> Adam










> From: Ben Fisler <fislerite at msn.com>
> To: "raremeteorites at yahoo.com" <raremeteorites at yahoo.com>
> Sent: Sunday, November 4, 2012 11:55 AM
> Subject: RE: [meteorite-list] 10 Falls this year - Can we set the
> 21st century record for recovered falls?



> Hi Adam,
> ????? That is kind of creepy, do you mean the BLM (govt servants)?
> are harassing private citizens to keep them from legally hunting??

> ????? Also, in an earlier post of yours, you said you had already
> been hassled over gold basin material,? what happened?? I have found
> meteorites from Holbrook, Franconia, Gold Basin, and Red Lake, and
> although I'm not a commercial dealer or professional hunter, I've
> always had the comfort of knowing that in later years, I could
> always sell some of my finds if I wanted, or needed to.? Since at
> least for now, all of my finds, are pre-Sept. 2012, (before the new
> rules) shouldn't I be able to sell them in the future?? Am I going
> to be harrassed by the BLM or others if I do?? Please let me know what is going on.

> ????? On a more pleasant note, we're having Thanksgiving with
> relatives in Vegas?and I'm taking that week off.? I'm going to drive
> up and do some day-hunting in the desert for a few days before my
> wife flies up.? How are the BLM people in?area near the border with California???

> ????????????????????????????????????? Best Regards,? Ben Fisler,? Phoenix,? Arizona??




>> Date: Sun, 4 Nov 2012 11:23:30 -0800
>> From: raremeteorites at yahoo.com
>> To: meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
>> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] 10 Falls this year - Can we set the 21st????century record for recovered falls?
>>
>>
>> Be careful searching the Alabama fall. People have been warned by government servants to stay away.
>>
>> Adam
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: MikeG <meteoritemike at gmail.com>
>> To: Michael Farmer <mike at meteoriteguy.com>
>> Cc: Meteorite List <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
>> Sent: Sunday, November 4, 2012 9:48 AM
>> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] 10 Falls this year - Can we set the 21st century record for recovered falls?
>>
>> Hi Mike and List,
>>
>> I have a few of your meteorites on the list that have not been
>> approved yet - Zunhua and Guadalajara (assuming those names end up
>> being official) :
>>
>> Full 2007 List -
>>
>> Feb 01, 2007 - Dim Dim (H3-5 chondrite) : Turkey
>> Feb 21, 2007 - Mahadevpur (H4/5 chondrite) : India (Hammer)
>> May 10, 2007 - Puerto LaPice (Eucrite) : Spain
>> Jul 02/03, 2007 - Chergach (H5 chondrite) : Mali
>> Jul 06, 2007 - Cali (H/L4 chondrite) : Columbia (Hammer)
>> Jul 20, 2007 - Bunburra Rockhole (Eucrite) : Australia
>> Aug 11, 2007 - Red Canyon Lake (H5 chondrite) : California USA
>> Sep 07, 2007 - Guadalajara (L or LL3 chondrite?) : Mexico (Hammer)
>> Sep 15, 2007 - Carancas (H4-5 chondrite) : Peru (Hammer and Crater Maker)
>>
>> Notice, Carancas took place a week after Guadalajara, and that might
>> have stolen some of the latter's thunder and spotlight.? The only
>> thing that could easily push a beautiful type-3 hammer to the back
>> burner would be another hammer fall of a less-common type that also
>> produced a sizeable impact crater/feature.? It would be nice to
>> finally see Guadalajara get it's fair due.? Of course, Addison and
>> Novato are stealing the show now!
>>
>> Full List of falls (updated today) - http://www.galactic-stone.com/pages/falls
>>
>> Best regards and happy huntings,
>>
>> MikeG
>>
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>> On 11/4/12, Michael Farmer <mike at meteoriteguy.com> wrote:
>> > Actually in 2007 there is another fall, Zapopan Mexico, chondrite fell
>> > through a house in the outskirts of Gudalajara in september.? I bought the
>> > stone from the homeowner.
>> > I is almost ready for submission to the bulletin. A true hammerstone which
>> > fell through a very poor house, went through metal roof and blue tarp
>> > covering the roof, smashed into the brick floor.
>> >
>> > Michael Farmer
>> >
>> > Sent from my iPad
>> >
>> > On Nov 4, 2012, at 10:11 AM, MikeG <meteoritemike at gmail.com> wrote:
>> >
>> >> Hi Listees and Hunters,
>> >>
>> >> If all the reports of recoveries turn out to be solid, then we have
>> >> ten recovered meteorite falls this year so far.? This is taking into
>> >> account the new fall over Tata Morocco that Aziz Habibi reported to
>> >> the List and the recent news of the Addison and Novato falls.
>> >>
>> >> 2012 falls so far :
>> >>
>> >> Feb 11, 2012 - "Huangzhong/Xining" (unofficial) (L6 chondrite?)? : China
>> >> Mar 01, 2012 - "Oslo" (unofficial) (ordinary chondrite?) : Norway
>> >> (Hammer)
>> >> Apr 22, 2012 - Sutter's Mill (C - Carbonaceous) : California USA (Hammer)
>> >> May 03, 2012 - "Diplo" (unofficial) (ordinary chondrite?) : Pakistan
>> >> May 22, 2012 - "Katol" (unofficial) (achondrite) : India (Hammer)
>> >> Jun 03, 2012 - "Comayagua" (unofficial) (ordinary chondrite) : Honduras
>> >> (Hammer)
>> >> Aug 22, 2012 - Battle Mountain (L6 chondrite) : Nevada USA
>> >> Oct 12, 2012 - "Tata" (unofficial) (ordinary chondrite?) : Morocco
>> >> October 17, 2012 - "Novato" (unofficial) (L6 chondrite) : California
>> >> USA(Hammer)
>> >> Oct 30, 2012 - "Addison" (unofficial) (ordinary chondrite?) : Alabama USA
>> >>
>> >> This is the most falls in one year since 2008, when we also had ten.
>> >>
>> >> In 2007, we had nine falls.
>> >>
>> >> So, we now have a little under two months to track down and recover
>> >> one more meteorite to set the record mark for the 21st century.
>> >>
>> >> I have not looked further back into the records to see when the last
>> >> time we had more than ten falls.? My personal records of recovered
>> >> falls only goes back to Tagish Lake and the year 2000.? The Met
>> >> Bulletin only displays falls that have been approved by NonCom, so
>> >> confirmed and recovered falls like Zunhua, Breja, and many others are
>> >> not represented there.? Taking into account credible and verifiable
>> >> reports of recoveries, my list appears to be as close to authoritative
>> >> as possible. (if anyone knows of reliable recovery reports that are
>> >> not reflected on my list, please contact me and let me know)
>> >>
>> >> I think this apparent increase in recovery rates is due in part to a
>> >> greater awareness of meteorite falls by the public on a worldwide
>> >> level, and the skilled use of Doppler radar and sky-camera data to
>> >> track bolides and project the strewnfield locations in the US - thanks
>> >> in no small part to the fine folks behind Galactic Analytics, Marc
>> >> Fries, Rob Matson, and others.? This is not only interesting from a
>> >> statistics-geek standpoint, but it is also encouraging to think that
>> >> this successful methodology can be applied to any place on the planet
>> >> covered by Doppler radar.? Well done everyone.? :)
>> >>
>> >> Keep up the good work everyone and happy huntings!
>> >>
>> >> MikeG
>> >>
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 Jodie                            mailto:spacerocks at spaceballoon.org

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