[meteorite-list] Tata-Foumzgit-Tanzrou Martian Fall. (Why no lunar falls? and freshest lunar?)

From: Rob Wesel <nakhladog_at_meteoritecentral.com>
Date: Sun, 15 Jan 2012 17:27:47 -0800
Message-ID: <8D7BF37403744783A9D6BE5C9366FBB3_at_RobOffice>

Zagami has and even shorter terrestrial age and has been in ample supply for
study for the last 50 years.

Rob Wesel
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From: "Galactic Stone & Ironworks" <meteoritemike at gmail.com>
Sent: Sunday, January 15, 2012 11:43 AM
To: "Shawn Alan" <photophlow at yahoo.com>
Cc: "Meteorite Central" <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Tata-Foumzgit-Tanzrou Martian Fall. (Why no
lunar falls? and freshest lunar?)

> Hi Shawn and List,
>
> It is true that science has access to dozens(!) of Martian meteorites,
> but all of them have been sitting on Earth for thousands of years and
> they have experienced alteration and oxidation during that long wait
> for discovery. This is the first Martian (or any planetary) that has
> a terrestrial age measured in months. That is exciting. It is so
> pristine and fresh, that scientists should be very keen to research
> it. Due to it's lack of oxidation and alteration, it is the next best
> thing to sample recovery mission. Imagine how much it would cost to
> bring back a sizeable sample from Mars. Mother Nature just saved
> science billions of dollars. :)
>
> Best regards,
>
> MikeG
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> On 1/14/12, Shawn Alan <photophlow at yahoo.com> wrote:
>> MikeG & Listers
>>
>> MikeG
>> you said
>>
>> "I probably should have clarified - the 21st century. So basically the
>> last
>> ~12 years. It's hard to find a fall (pun intended) in the last
>> 12 years that
>> is more important (overall) than this Martian. In
>> terms of scientific value,
>> Tagish Lake is probably high on the list of
>> the most important in the 21st
>> century."
>>
>> I would have to agree on Tagish Lake its very important and I would say
>> more
>> important then TATA in regards of scientists have no clue which parent
>> body
>> it came from, and the presolar grains it has and the large amount of
>> nanodiamonds found within the meteorite. With the TATA meteorite, this
>> makes
>> about 79 classified meteorite from Mars. In ratio to parent body, thats
>> alot
>> of meteorite from one location in space considered science has no clue
>> where
>> Tagish Lakes parent body is. So in repect to science, TATA is just
>> another
>> Mars meteorite, another one to add to the growing list of Martianites :)
>>
>> On the other hand, ALMAHATA SITTA is by far the most signficate fall in
>> the
>> last 12 years
>>
>> Shawn Alan
>> IMCA 1633
>> eBay Store
>> http://www.ebay.com/sch/ph0t0phl0w/m.html?
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> [meteorite-list] Tata-Foumzgit Martian Fall. The most significant fall of
>> this century?
>> Galactic Stone & Ironworks meteoritemike
>> at gmail.com
>> Thu Jan 12 21:23:07 EST 2012
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>>
>> Hi Count and List,
>>
>> I probably should have clarified -
>> the 21st century. So basically the
>> last ~12 years. It's hard to find a fall
>> (pun intended) in the last
>> 12 years that is more important (overall) than
>> this Martian. In
>> terms of scientific value, Tagish Lake is probably high on
>> the list of
>> the most important in the 21st century.
>>
>> If NonCom
>> approves it as a fall and if a lot of good research comes
>> out of this
>> meteorite, then it's
>> surely one of the most interesting
>> falls of the 50
>> years.
>>
>> Let's all cross our fingers and hope that MetSoc approves this as
>> a
>> named fall and that they approve it quickly once they have the data
>> required to do so. :)
>>
>> Best regards,
>>
>> MikeG
>>
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>>
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>>
>>
>> On 1/12/12,
>> Count Deiro <countdeiro at
>> earthlink.net> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>
>>>
>>
>>>I only know that there are papers published making the
>> argument that certain
>>
>>>SNC's and Alan Hills 84001 show
>> evidence of fossilized life forms. There are
>>
>>>other
>> scientists who dispute this. Nakhla has the more compelling artifacts
>>
>>>and is used more often to prove the hypothesis.
>>
>>>
>>
>>>Regards,
>>
>>>
>>
>>>Count Deiro
>>
>>>IMCA 3536
>>
>>>
>>
>>>
>>
>>>-----Original
>> Message-----
>>
>>>>From: dorifry <dorifry at
>> embarqmail.com>
>>
>>>>Sent: Jan 12, 2012 2:15 PM
>>
>>>>To: Count Deiro <countdeiro at
>> earthlink.net>, Galactic Stone & Ironworks
>>
>>>><meteoritemike at
>> gmail.com>, meteorite-list at
>> meteoritecentral.com
>>
>>>>Subject: Re: [meteorite-list]
>> Tata-Foumzgit Martian
>> Fall. The most
>>
>>>>significant fall of
>> this century?
>>
>>>>
>>
>>>>If life has been
>> confirmed on Mars, wouldn't the President have called a
>>
>>>>press conference?
>>
>>>>
>>
>>>>Phil Whitmer
>>
>>>>Joshua Tree Earth
>> & Space Museum
>>
>>>>----- Original Message -----
>>
>>>>From: "Count Deiro" <countdeiro at
>> earthlink.net>
>>
>>>>To: "Galactic Stone &
>> Ironworks" <meteoritemike at
>> gmail.com>;
>>
>>>><meteorite-list at
>> meteoritecentral.com>
>>
>>>>Sent: Thursday, January 12,
>> 2012 4:41 PM
>>
>>>>Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Tata-Foumzgit
>> Martian Fall. The most
>>
>>>>significant fall of this century?
>>
>>>>
>>
>>>>
>>
>>>>>Michael has asked:
>>
>>>>>
>>
>>>>>>Would it be safe to say, that the new Martian
>> "Tata" fall is the most
>>
>>>>>>significant meteorite
>> fall of the 21st century, and perhaps of the
>>
>>>>>>last
>> 50+ years?
>>
>>>>>
>>
>>>>>Not even
>> close, Mike if by century, you were referring to falls observed
>>
>>>>>through the 1900's. Take Nakhla for example.
>> Witnessed fall. Immediate
>>
>>>>>collection by experts and
>> responsible for stirring the fuel under that
>>
>>>>>most
>> famous of all Martian arguments....is there is, or is there was
>>
>>>>>..life on Mars. Chock full of fossilized
>> nanobacteria, biomorphs and
>>
>>>>>whatever else they found
>> last month that is being written up at this
>>
>>>>>writing.
>>
>>>>>
>>
>>>>>Best regards,
>>
>>>>>
>>
>>>>>Count Deiro
>>
>>>>>IMCA 3536
>>
>>>>>
>>
>>>>>
>>
>>>>>-----Original
>> Message-----
>>
>>>>>>From: Galactic Stone & Ironworks
>> <meteoritemike at
>> gmail.com>
>>
>>>>>>Sent: Jan 12, 2012 9:09 AM
>>
>>>>>>To: meteorite-list at
>> meteoritecentral.com
>>
>>>>>>Subject:
>> [meteorite-list] Tata-Foumzgit Martian Fall. The most
>>
>>>>>>significant
>>
>>>>>>fall
>> of this century?
>>
>>>>>>
>>
>>>>>>Hi List,
>>
>>>>>>
>>
>>>>>>Would it be safe to say, that the new Martian
>> "Tata" fall is the most
>>
>>>>>>significant meteorite
>> fall of the 21st century, and perhaps of the
>>
>>>>>>last
>> 50+ years?
>>
>>>>>>
>>
>>>>>>All
>> things considered, this has the makings of a very significant
>>
>>>>>>event for
>> science. This is the most pristine
>> sample of Mars to arrive
>>
>>>>>>in labs for a long time,
>> if ever. Even the freshest NWA finds cannot
>>
>>>>>>compare to fresh stones collected less than a
>> year after the fall.
>>
>>>>>>The unbroken stones and
>> larger fragments will supply science with
>>
>>>>>>unaltered, unoxidixed material for research. This
>> new Martian is
>>
>>>>>>going to be widely studied, so I
>> hope everyone is getting their
>>
>>>>>>microprobes warmed
>> up in anticipation.
>>
>>>>>>
>>
>>>>>>Word has it that institutions and museums have
>> been allocated a
>>
>>>>>>sizeable amount of material in
>> terms of trades and donations, so there
>>
>>>>>>appears
>> to be plenty of it available for study. It is safe to say
>>
>>>>>>that this new meteorite
>> (whatever the official
>> name turns out to be)
>>
>>>>>>will appear in a lot of
>> papers and journals over time.
>>
>>>>>>
>>
>>>>>>For science, this is the next best thing to a
>> manned sample-return
>>
>>>>>>mission. For collectors this
>> is best thing since sliced bread. The
>>
>>>>>>only thing
>> that could have made this fall better, from a collector's
>>
>>>>>>standpoint, is if a stone had bounced off a
>> Bedouin tent and struck a
>>
>>>>>>camel in the hump. But,
>> you can't have your cake and eat it too. ;)
>>
>>>>>>
>>
>>>>>>So, what is the going consensus on the details of
>> this fall?
>>
>>>>>>
>>
>>>>>>Nickname - Tata or Foumzgit (mostly "Tata")
>>
>>>>>>
>>
>>>>>>TKW - several
>> kilograms, probably less than 10kg. Much of this is in
>>
>>>>>>the form of large whole stones and large broken
>> stones and that
>>
>>>>>>material has been absorbed into
>> collections and is not likely to
>>
>>>>>>return to the
>> market. Ballpark figure of material to be available
>>
>>>>>>eventually on the collector market is probably "a
>> few kilos" (2-3kg?)
>>
>>>>>>
>>
>>>>>>Date of fall - July of 2011 (certain), actual
>> date - July 25, 2011?
>>
>>>>>>Other reports say earlier
>> in July (13-15?)
>>
>>>>>>
>>
>>>>>>Time of fall - day or night? (night?)
>>
>>>>>>
>>
>>>>>>Type -
>> Shergottite, shocked, silver-grey matrix with black shock
>>
>>>>>>veins. Glossy fresh black fusion crust.
>>
>>>>>>
>>
>>>>>>Misc - witness
>> reports include an audible explosion and popping sounds.
>>
>>>>>>
>>
>>>>>>Does all of that
>> sound about right?
>>
>>>>>>
>>
>>>>>>
>>
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>>
>>>>>>
>>
>>>>>>Galactic Stone
>> & Ironworks - Meteorites & Amber (Michael Gilmer)
>>
>>>>>>
>>
>>>>>>Website - http://www.galactic-stone.com
>>
>>>>>>Facebook - http://tinyurl.com/42h79my
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>>
>>>>>>Twitter - http://twitter.com/galacticstone
>>
>>>>>>
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