[meteorite-list] Tata-Foumzgit-Tanzrou Martian Fall. (Why no lunar falls? and freshest lunar?)
From: Galactic Stone & Ironworks <meteoritemike_at_meteoritecentral.com>
Date: Sun, 15 Jan 2012 21:01:29 -0500 Message-ID: <CAKBPJW_ER1=Oi1jQjk5QCFKtVxNJCHxSj=5-G7XMjacs8Z+sag_at_mail.gmail.com> Hi Rob, That is true, but look at it this way - Zagami now has a terrestrial age of approx. 50 years. This new fall (Tata-Tanzrou-Foumzgit-?) has a terrestrial age of less than one year. ;) Best regards, MikeG -- ************************************************* Galactic Stone & Ironworks - Meteorites & Amber (Michael Gilmer) Website - http://www.galactic-stone.com Facebook - http://tinyurl.com/42h79my News Feed - http://www.galactic-stone.com/rss/126516 Twitter - http://twitter.com/galacticstone *************************************************** On 1/15/12, Rob Wesel <nakhladog at comcast.net> wrote: > Zagami has and even shorter terrestrial age and has been in ample supply for > study for the last 50 years. > > Rob Wesel > ------------------ > Nakhla Dog Meteorites > www.nakhladogmeteorites.com > www.facebook.com/Nakhla.Dog.Meteorites > www.facebook.com/Rob.Wesel > ------------------ > We are the music makers... > and we are the dreamers of the dreams. > Willy Wonka, 1971 > > > > -------------------------------------------------- > From: "Galactic Stone & Ironworks" <meteoritemike at gmail.com> > Sent: Sunday, January 15, 2012 11:43 AM > To: "Shawn Alan" <photophlow at yahoo.com> > Cc: "Meteorite Central" <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com> > Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Tata-Foumzgit-Tanzrou Martian Fall. (Why no > lunar falls? and freshest lunar?) > >> Hi Shawn and List, >> >> It is true that science has access to dozens(!) of Martian meteorites, >> but all of them have been sitting on Earth for thousands of years and >> they have experienced alteration and oxidation during that long wait >> for discovery. This is the first Martian (or any planetary) that has >> a terrestrial age measured in months. That is exciting. It is so >> pristine and fresh, that scientists should be very keen to research >> it. Due to it's lack of oxidation and alteration, it is the next best >> thing to sample recovery mission. Imagine how much it would cost to >> bring back a sizeable sample from Mars. Mother Nature just saved >> science billions of dollars. :) >> >> Best regards, >> >> MikeG >> -- >> ************************************************* >> >> Galactic Stone & Ironworks - Meteorites & Amber (Michael Gilmer) >> >> Website - http://www.galactic-stone.com >> Facebook - http://tinyurl.com/42h79my >> News Feed - http://www.galactic-stone.com/rss/126516 >> Twitter - http://twitter.com/galacticstone >> >> *************************************************** >> >> >> >> On 1/14/12, Shawn Alan <photophlow at yahoo.com> wrote: >>> MikeG & Listers >>> >>> MikeG >>> you said >>> >>> "I probably should have clarified - the 21st century. So basically the >>> last >>> ~12 years. It's hard to find a fall (pun intended) in the last >>> 12 years that >>> is more important (overall) than this Martian. In >>> terms of scientific value, >>> Tagish Lake is probably high on the list of >>> the most important in the 21st >>> century." >>> >>> I would have to agree on Tagish Lake its very important and I would say >>> more >>> important then TATA in regards of scientists have no clue which parent >>> body >>> it came from, and the presolar grains it has and the large amount of >>> nanodiamonds found within the meteorite. With the TATA meteorite, this >>> makes >>> about 79 classified meteorite from Mars. In ratio to parent body, thats >>> alot >>> of meteorite from one location in space considered science has no clue >>> where >>> Tagish Lakes parent body is. So in repect to science, TATA is just >>> another >>> Mars meteorite, another one to add to the growing list of Martianites :) >>> >>> On the other hand, ALMAHATA SITTA is by far the most signficate fall in >>> the >>> last 12 years >>> >>> Shawn Alan >>> IMCA 1633 >>> eBay Store >>> http://www.ebay.com/sch/ph0t0phl0w/m.html? >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> [meteorite-list] Tata-Foumzgit Martian Fall. The most significant fall of >>> this century? >>> Galactic Stone & Ironworks meteoritemike >>> at gmail.com >>> Thu Jan 12 21:23:07 EST 2012 >>> * Previous message: [meteorite-list] Tata-Foumzgit >>> Martian Fall. The most significant fall of this century? >>> * Next message: [meteorite-list] Tata-Foumzgit Martian >>> Fall. The most significant fall of this century? >>> * Messages sorted by: [ date ] [ thread ] [ subject >>> ] [ author ] >>> ________________________________ >>> >>> Hi Count and List, >>> >>> I probably should have clarified - >>> the 21st century. So basically the >>> last ~12 years. It's hard to find a fall >>> (pun intended) in the last >>> 12 years that is more important (overall) than >>> this Martian. In >>> terms of scientific value, Tagish Lake is probably high on >>> the list of >>> the most important in the 21st century. >>> >>> If NonCom >>> approves it as a fall and if a lot of good research comes >>> out of this >>> meteorite, then it's >>> surely one of the most interesting >>> falls of the 50 >>> years. >>> >>> Let's all cross our fingers and hope that MetSoc approves this as >>> a >>> named fall and that they approve it quickly once they have the data >>> required to do so. :) >>> >>> Best regards, >>> >>> MikeG >>> >>> -- >>> ************************************************* >>> >>> Galactic Stone >>> & Ironworks - Meteorites & Amber (Michael Gilmer) >>> >>> Website - http://www.galactic-stone.com >>> Facebook - http://tinyurl.com/42h79my >>> News Feed - http://www.galactic-stone.com/rss/126516 >>> Twitter - http://twitter.com/galacticstone >>> >>> *************************************************** >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> On 1/12/12, >>> Count Deiro <countdeiro at >>> earthlink.net> wrote: >>> >>>> >>> >>>> >>> >>>>I only know that there are papers published making the >>> argument that certain >>> >>>>SNC's and Alan Hills 84001 show >>> evidence of fossilized life forms. There are >>> >>>>other >>> scientists who dispute this. Nakhla has the more compelling artifacts >>> >>>>and is used more often to prove the hypothesis. >>> >>>> >>> >>>>Regards, >>> >>>> >>> >>>>Count Deiro >>> >>>>IMCA 3536 >>> >>>> >>> >>>> >>> >>>>-----Original >>> Message----- >>> >>>>>From: dorifry <dorifry at >>> embarqmail.com> >>> >>>>>Sent: Jan 12, 2012 2:15 PM >>> >>>>>To: Count Deiro <countdeiro at >>> earthlink.net>, Galactic Stone & Ironworks >>> >>>>><meteoritemike at >>> gmail.com>, meteorite-list at >>> meteoritecentral.com >>> >>>>>Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] >>> Tata-Foumzgit Martian >>> Fall. The most >>> >>>>>significant fall of >>> this century? >>> >>>>> >>> >>>>>If life has been >>> confirmed on Mars, wouldn't the President have called a >>> >>>>>press conference? >>> >>>>> >>> >>>>>Phil Whitmer >>> >>>>>Joshua Tree Earth >>> & Space Museum >>> >>>>>----- Original Message ----- >>> >>>>>From: "Count Deiro" <countdeiro at >>> earthlink.net> >>> >>>>>To: "Galactic Stone & >>> Ironworks" <meteoritemike at >>> gmail.com>; >>> >>>>><meteorite-list at >>> meteoritecentral.com> >>> >>>>>Sent: Thursday, January 12, >>> 2012 4:41 PM >>> >>>>>Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Tata-Foumzgit >>> Martian Fall. The most >>> >>>>>significant fall of this century? >>> >>>>> >>> >>>>> >>> >>>>>>Michael has asked: >>> >>>>>> >>> >>>>>>>Would it be safe to say, that the new Martian >>> "Tata" fall is the most >>> >>>>>>>significant meteorite >>> fall of the 21st century, and perhaps of the >>> >>>>>>>last >>> 50+ years? >>> >>>>>> >>> >>>>>>Not even >>> close, Mike if by century, you were referring to falls observed >>> >>>>>>through the 1900's. Take Nakhla for example. >>> Witnessed fall. Immediate >>> >>>>>>collection by experts and >>> responsible for stirring the fuel under that >>> >>>>>>most >>> famous of all Martian arguments....is there is, or is there was >>> >>>>>>..life on Mars. Chock full of fossilized >>> nanobacteria, biomorphs and >>> >>>>>>whatever else they found >>> last month that is being written up at this >>> >>>>>>writing. >>> >>>>>> >>> >>>>>>Best regards, >>> >>>>>> >>> >>>>>>Count Deiro >>> >>>>>>IMCA 3536 >>> >>>>>> >>> >>>>>> >>> >>>>>>-----Original >>> Message----- >>> >>>>>>>From: Galactic Stone & Ironworks >>> <meteoritemike at >>> gmail.com> >>> >>>>>>>Sent: Jan 12, 2012 9:09 AM >>> >>>>>>>To: meteorite-list at >>> meteoritecentral.com >>> >>>>>>>Subject: >>> [meteorite-list] Tata-Foumzgit Martian Fall. The most >>> >>>>>>>significant >>> >>>>>>>fall >>> of this century? >>> >>>>>>> >>> >>>>>>>Hi List, >>> >>>>>>> >>> >>>>>>>Would it be safe to say, that the new Martian >>> "Tata" fall is the most >>> >>>>>>>significant meteorite >>> fall of the 21st century, and perhaps of the >>> >>>>>>>last >>> 50+ years? >>> >>>>>>> >>> >>>>>>>All >>> things considered, this has the makings of a very significant >>> >>>>>>>event for >>> science. This is the most pristine >>> sample of Mars to arrive >>> >>>>>>>in labs for a long time, >>> if ever. Even the freshest NWA finds cannot >>> >>>>>>>compare to fresh stones collected less than a >>> year after the fall. >>> >>>>>>>The unbroken stones and >>> larger fragments will supply science with >>> >>>>>>>unaltered, unoxidixed material for research. This >>> new Martian is >>> >>>>>>>going to be widely studied, so I >>> hope everyone is getting their >>> >>>>>>>microprobes warmed >>> up in anticipation. >>> >>>>>>> >>> >>>>>>>Word has it that institutions and museums have >>> been allocated a >>> >>>>>>>sizeable amount of material in >>> terms of trades and donations, so there >>> >>>>>>>appears >>> to be plenty of it available for study. It is safe to say >>> >>>>>>>that this new meteorite >>> (whatever the official >>> name turns out to be) >>> >>>>>>>will appear in a lot of >>> papers and journals over time. >>> >>>>>>> >>> >>>>>>>For science, this is the next best thing to a >>> manned sample-return >>> >>>>>>>mission. For collectors this >>> is best thing since sliced bread. The >>> >>>>>>>only thing >>> that could have made this fall better, from a collector's >>> >>>>>>>standpoint, is if a stone had bounced off a >>> Bedouin tent and struck a >>> >>>>>>>camel in the hump. But, >>> you can't have your cake and eat it too. ;) >>> >>>>>>> >>> >>>>>>>So, what is the going consensus on the details of >>> this fall? >>> >>>>>>> >>> >>>>>>>Nickname - Tata or Foumzgit (mostly "Tata") >>> >>>>>>> >>> >>>>>>>TKW - several >>> kilograms, probably less than 10kg. Much of this is in >>> >>>>>>>the form of large whole stones and large broken >>> stones and that >>> >>>>>>>material has been absorbed into >>> collections and is not likely to >>> >>>>>>>return to the >>> market. Ballpark figure of material to be available >>> >>>>>>>eventually on the collector market is probably "a >>> few kilos" (2-3kg?) >>> >>>>>>> >>> >>>>>>>Date of fall - July of 2011 (certain), actual >>> date - July 25, 2011? >>> >>>>>>>Other reports say earlier >>> in July (13-15?) >>> >>>>>>> >>> >>>>>>>Time of fall - day or night? (night?) >>> >>>>>>> >>> >>>>>>>Type - >>> Shergottite, shocked, silver-grey matrix with black shock >>> >>>>>>>veins. Glossy fresh black fusion crust. >>> >>>>>>> >>> >>>>>>>Misc - witness >>> reports include an audible explosion and popping sounds. >>> >>>>>>> >>> >>>>>>>Does all of that >>> sound about right? >>> >>>>>>> >>> >>>>>>> >>> >>>>>>>************************************************* >>> >>>>>>> >>> >>>>>>>Galactic Stone >>> & Ironworks - Meteorites & Amber (Michael Gilmer) >>> >>>>>>> >>> >>>>>>>Website - http://www.galactic-stone.com >>> >>>>>>>Facebook - http://tinyurl.com/42h79my >>> >>>>>>>News Feed - http://www.galactic-stone.com/rss/126516 >>> >>>>>>>Twitter - http://twitter.com/galacticstone >>> >>>>>>> >>> >>>>>>>*************************************************** >>> >>>>>>>______________________________________________ >>> >>>>>>>HAPPY HOLIDAYS!! >>> >>>>>>>Visit the Archives at >>> >>>>>>>http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html >>> >>>>>>>Meteorite-list mailing list >>> >>>>>>>Meteorite-list at >>> meteoritecentral.com >>> >>>>>>>http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list >>> >>>>>> >>> >>>>>>______________________________________________ >>> >>>>>>HAPPY >>> HOLIDAYS!! >>> >>>>>>Visit the Archives at >>> >>>>>>http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html >>> >>>>>>Meteorite-list mailing list >>> >>>>>>Meteorite-list at >>> meteoritecentral.com >>> >>>>>>http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list >>> >>>>> >>> >>>> >>> >>>> >>> >>> >>> ________________________________ >>> >>> >>> * Previous message: [meteorite-list] Tata-Foumzgit >>> Martian Fall. 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