[meteorite-list] HELP PLEASE - PECULIAR METEORITE DISCOVERY....

From: Darryl Pitt <darryl_at_meteoritecentral.com>
Date: Tue, 14 Feb 2012 17:37:35 -0500
Message-ID: <496E6923-E390-4C74-A0CF-074AED7D6B40_at_dof3.com>

Hi,

Yes, the finder is checking out the record of previous home ownership in the immediate area.

Thanks and all best / d



On Feb 14, 2012, at 4:06 PM, Peter Scherff wrote:

> Hi Darryl,
> You have a challenging puzzle. Dr. Garvie had a similar problem and
> was fortunate to have list members recognize the meteorite by the shape of
> the cut face. Harvey Nininger did something similar with unidentified irons
> in Ward's collection. I hope that you can match this meteorite with a known
> sample.
> This is not the first known meteorite that has been treated
> ignominiously. The Red River meteorite was almost buried in Central Park
> http://peabody.yale.edu/collections/meteorites-and-planetary-science/red-riv
> er-meteorite . "The Basket" individual of Canyon Diablo was used to hold a
> basketball hoop in place
> http://www.jsonline.com/news/milwaukee/41069052.html . Are there any other
> meteorites that fell on hard times?
> Do you know anything about the history of the property where the
> meteorite was discovered? Did Henry Augustus Ward summer there?
> Peter
>
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> Pitt
> Sent: Tuesday, February 14, 2012 4:01 PM
> To: Graham Ensor
> Cc: Meteorite List
> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] HELP PLEASE - PECULIAR METEORITE DISCOVERY....
>
>
>
> Hi,
>
> If the circumstances of the find are erroneous, then the question of
> rightful ownership and provenance arises.
>
> I personally think it's incumbent on us all to ask a lot of questions as it
> regards meteorite end pieces being found in a backyards.
>
> Best / Darryl
>
>
> On Feb 14, 2012, at 3:18 PM, Graham Ensor wrote:
>
>> Hi,
>>
>> I can't really see what the problem is as it is obviously a purchased
>> or at least sawn end cut that has been left to rust...I can't see that
>> it really matters where it was found....even if the story is
>> bogus....as such I would have thought that it is very likely to match
>> an existing meteorite and that will then dictate it's value....if it
>> cannot be matched then that is when it gets difficult. Tracing it's
>> history or story of it's terrestrial journey could be interesting.
>>
>> Graham
>>
>> On Tue, Feb 14, 2012 at 6:30 PM, Darryl Pitt <darryl at dof3.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> Mike...
>>>
>>> ---This is a meteorite
>>> ---No one has attempted to pass it off as a new find ---As conveyed
>>> in my original post, the finder agreed to submit a piece of testing
>>> ---I'm not as certain as you this will solve the issues
>>> presented---but it's a start
>>>
>>> Best /d
>>>
>>>
>>> On Feb 14, 2012, at 1:02 PM, Galactic Stone & Ironworks wrote:
>>>
>>>> Hi Michael and List,
>>>>
>>>> My thoughts exactly. It's either a strange meteorwrong, or it's a
>>>> transported specimen being passed off as a new find. If the owner
>>>> would submit a small piece for testing, that would solve the issue
>>>> once and for all.
>>>>
>>>> Best regards,
>>>>
>>>> MikeG
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>>>> On 2/14/12, Michael Mulgrew <mikestang at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>> What type of "backyard" equipment does this couple have that could
>>>>> produce such a perfect cut on an iron meteorite? Looks to me like
>>>>> a previously purchased iron left out to rust a bit.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Tue, Feb 14, 2012 at 6:42 AM, Darryl Pitt <darryl at dof3.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Hi,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Thanks, everyone, for the initial wave of responses both on and off
> list.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I've clarified the following two points raised below and have
>>>>>> taken a path similar to what Doug mentioned (also below).
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Hopefully our learning what meteorite this is will prove helpful.
> Please
>>>>>> circulate as you deem appropriate.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Here are the pics. http://www.flickr.com/photos/darrylpitt/
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Best/ d
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Feb 14, 2012, at 7:06 AM, John higgins wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Hi Folks,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Sandy Hook is a national Park, regular civilians don't live
>>>>>>> there. There are no 75ft escarpments in Sandy Hook. Maybe if the
>>>>>>> guy said he was from Atlantic Highlands, that would make more
>>>>>>> sense..... This story is full of holes, Daryl please be careful.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Best Regards from New Jersey,
>>>>>>> John Higgins
>>>>>>> IMCA # 9822
>>>>>>> www.outerspacerocks.com
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> He is from Highlands, NJ near Sandy Hook. I remembered the Sandy Hook
>>>>>> reference and provided it as a general location in Northeastern, N.J.
> I
>>>>>> didn't know that Sandy Hook was not also a town.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Feb 13, 2012, at 11:52 PM, Pete Pete wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I agree with Mike, Daryl!
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I'm trying to imagine a scenario of a house on a ravine, a guy
>>>>>>> finding a rusty lump, and the wife persistently tries to throw
>>>>>>> the lump out in the
>>>>>>> garbage(?!) instead of simply heaving it over the fence?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Doesn't track. Sounds like a scripted story.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Like we say at work - "The name's Tucker, not sucker!"
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Pete
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> No fence. (I asked as I was also bewildered). Reportedly found at
> the
>>>>>> edge of an escarpment. The wife seems honest and was the one doing
> the
>>>>>> sleuthing here.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Feb 14, 2012, at 3:15 AM, MexicoDoug wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> "A seemingly honest fellow from Sandy Hook, NJ came to my office
>>>>>>> late today in the hope I could verify what he was told could be a
>>>>>>> meteorite---and it is."
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> "are honest....but I just don't get it."
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Hi Darryl,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Either you run with it or you give it back. But posting the
>>>>>>> pictures of the etch pattern should be pretty good evidence of
>>>>>>> some of the larger transported falls.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Lots of explanations could account for the meteorite (the prior
>>>>>>> owner died and the rock stayed on the porch --- it's happened
>>>>>>> before ...etc.), but if we listen to Jefferson, while it would be
>>>>>>> easier to believe they are lying, the facts are what must be
>>>>>>> established. What do you have to lose? If you don't want to
>>>>>>> risk time and money, just see if they'll fax a release giving you
>>>>>>> permission to have it analyzed and just for your own protection
>>>>>>> slip in that they represent in good faith that the meteorite is
>>>>>>> their property and presented to you as an unknown for
>>>>>>> verification (which you mention is what gives them the right to have
> it analyzed since meteorites can be valuble)...
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Good luck, if it's a scam, bring it on. Let's see those
>>>>>>> pix...After all, no obvious match on the etch is great news no
>>>>>>> matter how you
>>>>>>> *slice* it. If the etch matches a large widely distributed fall,
>>>>>>> but they insisted and you wanted out,you could always offer to
>>>>>>> take a nice slice to pay your expenses in case it turns out to be
>>>>>>> common. Does that make sense?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Kindest wishes
>>>>>>> Doug
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Feb 13, 2012, at 10:45 PM, Darryl Pitt wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Folks,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I need your help; there is a problem here---I'm just not certain
>>>>>>> as to its nature.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> A seemingly honest fellow from Sandy Hook, NJ came to my office
>>>>>>> late today in the hope I could verify what he was told could be a
>>>>>>> meteorite---and it is.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> This fellow said that just after he moved in a year ago, he found
>>>>>>> it on the embankment of his backyard just beyond which is a 75
>>>>>>> foot escarpment. The wife said she tried to throw the rusty
>>>>>>> thing out a couple of times and both times he rescued it from the
>>>>>>> garbage. It is a medium octahedrite which weighs 4.236 kg. How
>>>>>>> do I know it's a medium octahedrite? I could make out a feint
>>>>>>> pattern underneath a veneer of rust on the cut face. Yes,
>>>>>>> roughly speaking, this fellow found a cut and prepared meteorite in
> his backyard.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The fellow left the specimen in my possession and agreed to allow
>>>>>>> me to have a sample removed and forwarded for analysis. I advised
>>>>>>> him there could be a problem here that could be readily
>>>>>>> determined---and he didn't seem fazed. While I've been accused
>>>>>>> of being naive, I nonetheless genuinely believe he and his wife are
> honest....but I just don't get it.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Any thoughts here? Northeastern New Jersey. End piece. Medium
>>>>>>> octahedrite. 4.2 kg.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I'll get a pic posted tomorrow.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> All best and thanks / d,
>>>>>>
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