[meteorite-list] HELP PLEASE - PECULIAR METEORITE DISCOVERY....

From: Peter Scherff <peterscherff_at_meteoritecentral.com>
Date: Tue, 14 Feb 2012 16:06:20 -0500
Message-ID: <00cc01cceb5c$80926c60$81b74520$_at_rcn.com>

Hi Darryl,
        You have a challenging puzzle. Dr. Garvie had a similar problem and
was fortunate to have list members recognize the meteorite by the shape of
the cut face. Harvey Nininger did something similar with unidentified irons
in Ward's collection. I hope that you can match this meteorite with a known
sample.
        This is not the first known meteorite that has been treated
ignominiously. The Red River meteorite was almost buried in Central Park
http://peabody.yale.edu/collections/meteorites-and-planetary-science/red-riv
er-meteorite . "The Basket" individual of Canyon Diablo was used to hold a
basketball hoop in place
http://www.jsonline.com/news/milwaukee/41069052.html . Are there any other
meteorites that fell on hard times?
        Do you know anything about the history of the property where the
meteorite was discovered? Did Henry Augustus Ward summer there?
Peter

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Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] HELP PLEASE - PECULIAR METEORITE DISCOVERY....



Hi,

If the circumstances of the find are erroneous, then the question of
rightful ownership and provenance arises.

I personally think it's incumbent on us all to ask a lot of questions as it
regards meteorite end pieces being found in a backyards.

Best / Darryl


On Feb 14, 2012, at 3:18 PM, Graham Ensor wrote:

> Hi,
>
> I can't really see what the problem is as it is obviously a purchased
> or at least sawn end cut that has been left to rust...I can't see that
> it really matters where it was found....even if the story is
> bogus....as such I would have thought that it is very likely to match
> an existing meteorite and that will then dictate it's value....if it
> cannot be matched then that is when it gets difficult. Tracing it's
> history or story of it's terrestrial journey could be interesting.
>
> Graham
>
> On Tue, Feb 14, 2012 at 6:30 PM, Darryl Pitt <darryl at dof3.com> wrote:
>>
>> Mike...
>>
>> ---This is a meteorite
>> ---No one has attempted to pass it off as a new find ---As conveyed
>> in my original post, the finder agreed to submit a piece of testing
>> ---I'm not as certain as you this will solve the issues
>> presented---but it's a start
>>
>> Best /d
>>
>>
>> On Feb 14, 2012, at 1:02 PM, Galactic Stone & Ironworks wrote:
>>
>>> Hi Michael and List,
>>>
>>> My thoughts exactly. It's either a strange meteorwrong, or it's a
>>> transported specimen being passed off as a new find. If the owner
>>> would submit a small piece for testing, that would solve the issue
>>> once and for all.
>>>
>>> Best regards,
>>>
>>> MikeG
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>>> On 2/14/12, Michael Mulgrew <mikestang at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> What type of "backyard" equipment does this couple have that could
>>>> produce such a perfect cut on an iron meteorite? Looks to me like
>>>> a previously purchased iron left out to rust a bit.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Tue, Feb 14, 2012 at 6:42 AM, Darryl Pitt <darryl at dof3.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Hi,
>>>>>
>>>>> Thanks, everyone, for the initial wave of responses both on and off
list.
>>>>>
>>>>> I've clarified the following two points raised below and have
>>>>> taken a path similar to what Doug mentioned (also below).
>>>>>
>>>>> Hopefully our learning what meteorite this is will prove helpful.
Please
>>>>> circulate as you deem appropriate.
>>>>>
>>>>> Here are the pics. http://www.flickr.com/photos/darrylpitt/
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Best/ d
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Feb 14, 2012, at 7:06 AM, John higgins wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Hi Folks,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Sandy Hook is a national Park, regular civilians don't live
>>>>>> there. There are no 75ft escarpments in Sandy Hook. Maybe if the
>>>>>> guy said he was from Atlantic Highlands, that would make more
>>>>>> sense..... This story is full of holes, Daryl please be careful.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Best Regards from New Jersey,
>>>>>> John Higgins
>>>>>> IMCA # 9822
>>>>>> www.outerspacerocks.com
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> He is from Highlands, NJ near Sandy Hook. I remembered the Sandy Hook
>>>>> reference and provided it as a general location in Northeastern, N.J.
I
>>>>> didn't know that Sandy Hook was not also a town.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Feb 13, 2012, at 11:52 PM, Pete Pete wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> I agree with Mike, Daryl!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I'm trying to imagine a scenario of a house on a ravine, a guy
>>>>>> finding a rusty lump, and the wife persistently tries to throw
>>>>>> the lump out in the
>>>>>> garbage(?!) instead of simply heaving it over the fence?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Doesn't track. Sounds like a scripted story.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Like we say at work - "The name's Tucker, not sucker!"
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Pete
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> No fence. (I asked as I was also bewildered). Reportedly found at
the
>>>>> edge of an escarpment. The wife seems honest and was the one doing
the
>>>>> sleuthing here.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Feb 14, 2012, at 3:15 AM, MexicoDoug wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> "A seemingly honest fellow from Sandy Hook, NJ came to my office
>>>>>> late today in the hope I could verify what he was told could be a
>>>>>> meteorite---and it is."
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "are honest....but I just don't get it."
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Hi Darryl,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Either you run with it or you give it back. But posting the
>>>>>> pictures of the etch pattern should be pretty good evidence of
>>>>>> some of the larger transported falls.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Lots of explanations could account for the meteorite (the prior
>>>>>> owner died and the rock stayed on the porch --- it's happened
>>>>>> before ...etc.), but if we listen to Jefferson, while it would be
>>>>>> easier to believe they are lying, the facts are what must be
>>>>>> established. What do you have to lose? If you don't want to
>>>>>> risk time and money, just see if they'll fax a release giving you
>>>>>> permission to have it analyzed and just for your own protection
>>>>>> slip in that they represent in good faith that the meteorite is
>>>>>> their property and presented to you as an unknown for
>>>>>> verification (which you mention is what gives them the right to have
it analyzed since meteorites can be valuble)...
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Good luck, if it's a scam, bring it on. Let's see those
>>>>>> pix...After all, no obvious match on the etch is great news no
>>>>>> matter how you
>>>>>> *slice* it. If the etch matches a large widely distributed fall,
>>>>>> but they insisted and you wanted out,you could always offer to
>>>>>> take a nice slice to pay your expenses in case it turns out to be
>>>>>> common. Does that make sense?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Kindest wishes
>>>>>> Doug
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Feb 13, 2012, at 10:45 PM, Darryl Pitt wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Folks,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I need your help; there is a problem here---I'm just not certain
>>>>>> as to its nature.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> A seemingly honest fellow from Sandy Hook, NJ came to my office
>>>>>> late today in the hope I could verify what he was told could be a
>>>>>> meteorite---and it is.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> This fellow said that just after he moved in a year ago, he found
>>>>>> it on the embankment of his backyard just beyond which is a 75
>>>>>> foot escarpment. The wife said she tried to throw the rusty
>>>>>> thing out a couple of times and both times he rescued it from the
>>>>>> garbage. It is a medium octahedrite which weighs 4.236 kg. How
>>>>>> do I know it's a medium octahedrite? I could make out a feint
>>>>>> pattern underneath a veneer of rust on the cut face. Yes,
>>>>>> roughly speaking, this fellow found a cut and prepared meteorite in
his backyard.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The fellow left the specimen in my possession and agreed to allow
>>>>>> me to have a sample removed and forwarded for analysis. I advised
>>>>>> him there could be a problem here that could be readily
>>>>>> determined---and he didn't seem fazed. While I've been accused
>>>>>> of being naive, I nonetheless genuinely believe he and his wife are
honest....but I just don't get it.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Any thoughts here? Northeastern New Jersey. End piece. Medium
>>>>>> octahedrite. 4.2 kg.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I'll get a pic posted tomorrow.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> All best and thanks / d,
>>>>>
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