[meteorite-list] HELP PLEASE - PECULIAR METEORITE DISCOVERY....

From: Darryl Pitt <darryl_at_meteoritecentral.com>
Date: Tue, 14 Feb 2012 16:00:39 -0500
Message-ID: <1EC5D2BB-DC3B-4EFB-8692-8BAEE921B972_at_dof3.com>

Hi,

If the circumstances of the find are erroneous, then the question of rightful ownership and provenance arises.

I personally think it's incumbent on us all to ask a lot of questions as it regards meteorite end pieces being found in a backyards.

Best / Darryl


On Feb 14, 2012, at 3:18 PM, Graham Ensor wrote:

> Hi,
>
> I can't really see what the problem is as it is obviously a purchased
> or at least sawn end cut that has been left to rust...I can't see that
> it really matters where it was found....even if the story is
> bogus....as such I would have thought that it is very likely to match
> an existing meteorite and that will then dictate it's value....if it
> cannot be matched then that is when it gets difficult. Tracing it's
> history or story of it's terrestrial journey could be interesting.
>
> Graham
>
> On Tue, Feb 14, 2012 at 6:30 PM, Darryl Pitt <darryl at dof3.com> wrote:
>>
>> Mike...
>>
>> ---This is a meteorite
>> ---No one has attempted to pass it off as a new find
>> ---As conveyed in my original post, the finder agreed to submit a piece of testing
>> ---I'm not as certain as you this will solve the issues presented---but it's a start
>>
>> Best /d
>>
>>
>> On Feb 14, 2012, at 1:02 PM, Galactic Stone & Ironworks wrote:
>>
>>> Hi Michael and List,
>>>
>>> My thoughts exactly. It's either a strange meteorwrong, or it's a
>>> transported specimen being passed off as a new find. If the owner
>>> would submit a small piece for testing, that would solve the issue
>>> once and for all.
>>>
>>> Best regards,
>>>
>>> MikeG
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>>> On 2/14/12, Michael Mulgrew <mikestang at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> What type of "backyard" equipment does this couple have that could
>>>> produce such a perfect cut on an iron meteorite? Looks to me like a
>>>> previously purchased iron left out to rust a bit.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Tue, Feb 14, 2012 at 6:42 AM, Darryl Pitt <darryl at dof3.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Hi,
>>>>>
>>>>> Thanks, everyone, for the initial wave of responses both on and off list.
>>>>>
>>>>> I've clarified the following two points raised below and have taken a path
>>>>> similar to what Doug mentioned (also below).
>>>>>
>>>>> Hopefully our learning what meteorite this is will prove helpful. Please
>>>>> circulate as you deem appropriate.
>>>>>
>>>>> Here are the pics. http://www.flickr.com/photos/darrylpitt/
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Best/ d
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Feb 14, 2012, at 7:06 AM, John higgins wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Hi Folks,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Sandy Hook is a national Park, regular civilians don't live there. There
>>>>>> are no 75ft escarpments in Sandy Hook. Maybe if the guy said he was from
>>>>>> Atlantic Highlands, that would make more sense..... This story is full
>>>>>> of holes, Daryl please be careful.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Best Regards from New Jersey,
>>>>>> John Higgins
>>>>>> IMCA # 9822
>>>>>> www.outerspacerocks.com
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> He is from Highlands, NJ near Sandy Hook. I remembered the Sandy Hook
>>>>> reference and provided it as a general location in Northeastern, N.J. I
>>>>> didn't know that Sandy Hook was not also a town.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Feb 13, 2012, at 11:52 PM, Pete Pete wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> I agree with Mike, Daryl!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I'm trying to imagine a scenario of a house on a ravine, a guy finding a
>>>>>> rusty lump, and the wife persistently tries to throw the lump out in the
>>>>>> garbage(?!) instead of simply heaving it over the fence?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Doesn't track. Sounds like a scripted story.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Like we say at work - "The name's Tucker, not sucker!"
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Pete
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> No fence. (I asked as I was also bewildered). Reportedly found at the
>>>>> edge of an escarpment. The wife seems honest and was the one doing the
>>>>> sleuthing here.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Feb 14, 2012, at 3:15 AM, MexicoDoug wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> "A seemingly honest fellow from Sandy Hook, NJ came to my office late
>>>>>> today in
>>>>>> the hope I could verify what he was told could be a meteorite---and it
>>>>>> is."
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "are honest....but I just don't get it."
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Hi Darryl,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Either you run with it or you give it back. But posting the pictures of
>>>>>> the etch pattern should be pretty good evidence of some of the larger
>>>>>> transported falls.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Lots of explanations could account for the meteorite (the prior owner
>>>>>> died and the rock stayed on the porch --- it's happened before ...etc.),
>>>>>> but if we listen to Jefferson, while it would be easier to believe they
>>>>>> are lying, the facts are what must be established. What do you have to
>>>>>> lose? If you don't want to risk time and money, just see if they'll fax
>>>>>> a release giving you permission to have it analyzed and just for your
>>>>>> own protection slip in that they represent in good faith that the
>>>>>> meteorite is their property and presented to you as an unknown for
>>>>>> verification (which you mention is what gives them the right to have it
>>>>>> analyzed since meteorites can be valuble)...
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Good luck, if it's a scam, bring it on. Let's see those pix...After
>>>>>> all, no obvious match on the etch is great news no matter how you
>>>>>> *slice* it. If the etch matches a large widely distributed fall, but
>>>>>> they insisted and you wanted out,you could always offer to take a nice
>>>>>> slice to pay your expenses in case it turns out to be common. Does that
>>>>>> make sense?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Kindest wishes
>>>>>> Doug
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Feb 13, 2012, at 10:45 PM, Darryl Pitt wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Folks,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I need your help; there is a problem here---I'm just not certain as to
>>>>>> its nature.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> A seemingly honest fellow from Sandy Hook, NJ came to my office late
>>>>>> today in the hope I could verify what he was told could be a
>>>>>> meteorite---and it is.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> This fellow said that just after he moved in a year ago, he found it on
>>>>>> the embankment of his backyard just beyond which is a 75 foot
>>>>>> escarpment. The wife said she tried to throw the rusty thing out a
>>>>>> couple of times and both times he rescued it from the garbage. It is a
>>>>>> medium octahedrite which weighs 4.236 kg. How do I know it's a medium
>>>>>> octahedrite? I could make out a feint pattern underneath a veneer of
>>>>>> rust on the cut face. Yes, roughly speaking, this fellow found a cut
>>>>>> and prepared meteorite in his backyard.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The fellow left the specimen in my possession and agreed to allow me to
>>>>>> have a sample removed and forwarded for analysis. I advised him there
>>>>>> could be a problem here that could be readily determined---and he didn't
>>>>>> seem fazed. While I've been accused of being naive, I nonetheless
>>>>>> genuinely believe he and his wife are honest....but I just don't get it.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Any thoughts here? Northeastern New Jersey. End piece. Medium
>>>>>> octahedrite. 4.2 kg.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I'll get a pic posted tomorrow.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> All best and thanks / d,
>>>>>
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