[meteorite-list] Pena Blanca Spring -Hammerstone?

From: Richard Montgomery <rickmont_at_meteoritecentral.com>
Date: Tue, 22 Nov 2011 17:38:23 -0800
Message-ID: <755BE16B460C4BE683E1600DCA18FA7D_at_bosoheadPC>

Holy S!!! The video link half way down 'electrifying science video' is,
well, purdy durn scary.
RM




----- Original Message -----
From: "MexicoDoug" <mexicodoug at aim.com>
To: <mikestang at gmail.com>; <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>;
<mlblood at cox.net>
Sent: Tuesday, November 22, 2011 3:58 PM
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Pena Blanca Spring -Hammerstone?


> "Would a meteorite that landed on a paved road be considered a hammer
> stone"
>
> By Michael's definition of this concept of "hammer", why would you require
> the road to be paved? Nothing magic about asphalt. Macadam, gravel,
> graded dirt; etc. they all work. And for that matter, anything that lands
> on improved land, so every corn and buckwheat patch is a hammer (or if it
> goes under, a plow).
>
> Now, here's another silly question about a concept when over-used:
>
> Does a meteorite have to be a witnessed fall to be a hammer? By
> witnessed, I don't mean the morning-after kind. Suppose this guy finds a
> meteor(oid?) snagged in the top of this half kilometer tower he free
> climbs?:
>
> electrifying scientific video:
> http://io9.com/5639113/
>
> Is it a meteoroid/ite hammer?
>
> Now back to maximum silliness; Michael calls the Pena Blanca spgs a
> hammer, well then, so is Lake Okeechobee's hammerstones , which were
> dragged up relatively fresh considering from a lake, though never seen
> falling in. The "lake is 100% dammed up by the Great Wall of Florida (9
> meters high and over 225 kilometers in length plus a network of draining
> canals and natural waterways that have been rerouted) would just be an
> amorphorous natural swamp. So man's controlling finger is evident and
> it's not even a witnessed fall! - a first of its kind for a hammer, sort
> of.
>
> Now, if what hits water isn't a hammer, I get first dibs on naming it
> (beat ya Michael!!!). They are TORPEDOS. Before you scoff at the
> concept, just remember over 70% of the meteorites landing errrr.....
> splashing down ... on earth are TORPEDOS!
>
> Kindest wishes
> Doug
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Michael Mulgrew <mikestang at gmail.com>
> To: Meteorite List <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
> Sent: Tue, Nov 22, 2011 3:16 pm
> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Pena Blanca Spring -Hammerstone?
>
>
> Would a meteorite that landed on a paved road be considered a hammer
> stone? Paved roads are 100% man-made, yet I know of several falls
> that have been recovered from roads or parking lots and are not
> referred to as hammer.
>
> Michael in so. Cal.
>
>
> On Tue, Nov 22, 2011 at 12:11 PM, Craig Moody
> <meteoritesnorth at hotmail.ca> wrote:
>>
>> Hello Anne, Michael and List.
>>
>> I would have to agree with Anne, in that if it struck the water, and
> sank to
> the bottom, then it would not be considered a hammer, however, I assume
> that if
> it hit the side of the pool and left physical evidence of that fact, then
> it
> would be a hammer. This also leads me to ask...does a meteorite have to
> damage
> something for it to be a hammer? What if they were pea sized individuals
> (Holbrook) that hit, but left no damage. Would they be considered hammer
> stones?
>>
>> Regards,
>> Craig Moody
>>
>>
>> ----------------------------------------
>> > From: Impactika at aol.com
>> > Date: Tue, 22 Nov 2011 15:01:57 -0500
>> > To: mlblood at cox.net; joshuatreemuseum at embarqmail.com;
> meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
>> > Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Pena Blanca Spring -Hammerstone?
>> >
>> > I am sorry Michael,
>> >
>> > But how could Pena Blanca be called a hammer??????
>> > It struck WATER!!
>> >
>> > Anne M. Black
>> > _http://www.impactika.com/_ (http://www.impactika.com/)
>> > _IMPACTIKA at aol.com_ (mailto:IMPACTIKA at aol.com)
>> > Vice-President, I.M.C.A. Inc.
>> > _http://www.imca.cc/_ (http://www.imca.cc/)
>> >
>> >
>> > In a message dated 11/22/2011 12:52:45 PM Mountain Standard Time,
>> > mlblood at cox.net writes:
>> > Hi Phil & All,
>> >
>> > Phil's "Subject" box describes Blanca Spring as a "Near-Hammer,"
>> > But I had always heard it fell in a small pond people used as a
> swimming
>> > Hole, NOT in a man-made pool resulting from a dam for the express
>> > Purpose of creating such a swimming pool.
>> >
>> > I have swum in such a pool many times at the base of Mt. Lemon
>> > on property bordering the Sugaro National Forest Park (Not certain
> of
>> > the exact name of that park) in the Tucson area. My best friend
> lived
>> > On the property and there was clearly a constructed dam to hold
> water
>> > For swimming, but low enough to allow the water to continue to flow
>> > Beyond that by spilling over the dam during the monsoon season.
>> >
>> > To my way of thinking a constructed swimming pool is a constructed
>> > swimming pool regardless of the complexity of construction... A
> swimming
>> > pool (that results from construction) is quite different than
> earlier
>> > reports I had heard of merely a naturally occurring "swimming hole"
>> > where a pond lay on someone's property. Therefore, Pena Blanc
> Spring IS
>> > a hammer, having struck a man-made object (a man made swimming
> pool).
>> >
>> > Michael
>> >
>> >
>> > On 11/21/11 1:22 PM, "JoshuaTreeMuseum"
> <joshuatreemuseum at embarqmail.com>
>> > wrote:
>> >
>> > > Here's an interesting account of what could have been a multiple
> death
>> > > hammerstone incident:
>> > >
>> > http://www.minsocam.org/ammin/AM32/AM32_354.pdf
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > Phil Whitmer
>> >
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