[meteorite-list] Pena Blanca Spring -Hammerstone?

From: Michael Mulgrew <mikestang_at_meteoritecentral.com>
Date: Tue, 22 Nov 2011 16:44:50 -0800
Message-ID: <CAMseTy3Oab9ekRRCMLeDmcTEuEBzWD3szfkiSm8y1SFf4+m+rQ_at_mail.gmail.com>

Doug and all,

Please do not think my example is my definition of the concept of a
hammer-stone; quite to the contrary, it was to illustrate that not all
"man-made" targets should result in a meteorite being termed a hammer.

-Michael

> In a message dated 11/22/2011 4:58:26 PM Mountain Standard Time,
> mexicodoug at aim.com writes:
> "Would a meteorite that landed on a paved road be considered a hammer
> stone"
>
> By Michael's definition of this concept of "hammer", why would you
> require the road to be paved? ?Nothing magic about asphalt. ?Macadam,
> gravel, graded dirt; etc. they all work. ?And for that matter, anything
> that lands on improved land, so every corn and buckwheat patch is a
> hammer (or if it goes under, a plow).
>
> Now, here's another silly question about a concept when over-used:
>
> Does a meteorite have to be a witnessed fall to be a hammer? ?By
> witnessed, I don't mean the morning-after kind. ?Suppose this guy finds
> a meteor(oid?) snagged in the top of this half kilometer tower he free
> climbs?:
>
> electrifying scientific video:
> http://io9.com/5639113/
>
> Is it a meteoroid/ite hammer?
>
> Now back to maximum silliness; Michael calls the Pena Blanca spgs a
> hammer, well then, so is Lake Okeechobee's hammerstones , which were
> dragged up relatively fresh considering from a lake, though never seen
> falling in. ?The "lake is 100% dammed up by the Great Wall of Florida
> (9 meters high and over 225 kilometers in length plus a network of
> draining canals and natural waterways that have been rerouted) would
> just be an amorphorous natural swamp. ?So man's controlling finger is
> evident and it's not even a witnessed fall! - a first of its kind for a
> hammer, sort of.
>
> Now, if what hits water isn't a hammer, I get first dibs on naming it
> (beat ya Michael!!!). ?They are TORPEDOS. ?Before you scoff at the
> concept, just remember over 70% of the meteorites landing ?errrr.....
> splashing down ... ?on earth are TORPEDOS!
>
> Kindest wishes
> Doug
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Michael Mulgrew <mikestang at gmail.com>
> To: Meteorite List <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
> Sent: Tue, Nov 22, 2011 3:16 pm
> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Pena Blanca Spring -Hammerstone?
>
>
> Would a meteorite that landed on a paved road be considered a hammer
> stone? ?Paved roads are 100% man-made, yet I know of several falls
> that have been recovered from roads or parking lots and are not
> referred to as hammer.
>
> Michael in so. Cal.
>
>
> On Tue, Nov 22, 2011 at 12:11 PM, Craig Moody
> <meteoritesnorth at hotmail.ca> wrote:
> >
> > Hello Anne, Michael and List.
> >
> > I would have to agree with Anne, in that if it struck the water, and
> sank to
> the bottom, then it would not be considered a hammer, however, I assume
> that if
> it hit the side of the pool and left physical evidence of that fact,
> then it
> would be a hammer. ?This also leads me to ask...does a meteorite have
> to damage
> something for it to be a hammer? ?What if they were pea sized
> individuals
> (Holbrook) that hit, but left no damage. ?Would they be considered
> hammer
> stones?
> >
> > Regards,
> > Craig Moody
> >
> >
> > ----------------------------------------
> > > From: Impactika at aol.com
> > > Date: Tue, 22 Nov 2011 15:01:57 -0500
> > > To: mlblood at cox.net; joshuatreemuseum at embarqmail.com;
> meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
> > > Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Pena Blanca Spring -Hammerstone?
> > >
> > > I am sorry Michael,
> > >
> > > But how could Pena Blanca be called a hammer??????
> > > It struck WATER!!
> > >
> > > Anne M. Black
>
>
>
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