[meteorite-list] Professionals No Longer Sought

From: Count Deiro <countdeiro_at_meteoritecentral.com>
Date: Sat, 9 Oct 2010 09:41:04 -0700 (GMT-07:00)
Message-ID: <6338725.1286642464334.JavaMail.root_at_wamui-hunyo.atl.sa.earthlink.net>

David said in part, " That is not to say...I would want to subscribe....to its tenets of extreme trust...that its membership appears to crow about in place of solid verifiable scientific mineralogical evidence..."

I think we move to far afield in our expectations of what the members of IMCA have agreed to vis a vis statements of classification and provenance of meteorites in sales and trades.. Members of IMCA have agreed publicly to not engage in dishonesty in the dealing of meteorites. This goes to the guarantees of classification and provenance ONLY to the extent that the IMCA member is aware of the validity of those data.

IMCA members hold the banner of membership up to tell those who deal with them that they can expect fairness and truth when dealing with them. If IMCA is an enforcer of anything, it is that the elected Board of Directors can deny an application for membership, or excommunicate, or punish for cause, a member who has been found to not be honest and fair in their dealings.

Regards to all,

Count Deiro
IMCA 3536

-----Original Message-----
>From: David Gunning <davidgunning at fairpoint.net>
>Sent: Oct 9, 2010 4:50 AM
>To: e-mail ensoramanda <ensoramanda at ntlworld.com>
>Cc: meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
>Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Professionals No Longer Sought
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>Hi Graham UK,
>
>The last time I looked there was no check-list of attributes defining
>what it means to be a "professional" meteorite dealer.
>
>The more I learn about the IMCA, and how it presents itself as a quasi
>enforcer of honest meteorite dealings between it's membership and the
>meteorite collecting community, at large, the more I like what I see.
>
>That is not to say, however, that I would want to subscribe to it's
>tenets of extreme trust that it's membership, you included, appears to
>crow about in place of solid verifiable scientific mineralogical evidence
>when purchasing meteorites, where and whenever possible.
>
>One of the difficulties, seems to me, is that the scientists, generally
>speaking, are too deeply insulated from having to address the questions
>and concerns of us mere ordinary mortals, non IMCA members.
>Professionalism, at it's best, means addressing those devilish details
>that don't always quite square-up, in my view. Science, at it's best,
>should be verifiable and evidence based for even us ordinary mere
>mortals, don't you suppose?
>
>Verifiably yours,
>
>Dave Gunning
>
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>> Hi Dave,
>>
>> I think you will find in time that many of the most "professional"
>> meteorite dealers as you call them do not have to sell themselves hard
>> on the list or to individuals as they have built up their reputations
>> over many years and do not need to. There are many who deal
>> "professionally" too but have other main professions not related to
>> meteorites. Very few in the world hunt and deal full time and many
>> many excellent dealers are part time....many only use the list very
>> occasionally.
>>
>> You may well have been contacted by 6 "professional" dealers but I
>> would take my time. Look around and study carefully what is on offer
>> that fits your needs from a wider field. Compare prices, quality and
>> check out the archives. It takes a while I have found.
>>
>> I find the vast majority of people on the list are very "professional"
>> as collectors, scientists or dealers and as such any one of them may
>> be willing to help you out if you have a specific item you are after.
>>
>> Regards
>>
>> Graham UK IMCA#1835
>>
>>
>>
>> On 8 October 2010 22:50, David Gunning <davidgunning at fairpoint.net>
>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Hi All,
>>>
>>> After an initial responsive surge of 6 "professional" meteorite dealers
>>> to my ad seeking same, the surge has, apparently, subsided. Dried-up.
>>> Gone kaput. ?So, lemme see, out of a total list membership of, what,
>>> 950,
>>> or so, members, and with six acknowledged professional meteorite
>>> dealers,
>>> (and other celestial objects dealers) amongst your ranks, that would be
>>> a
>>> ratio of 950 to 6 for an estimated percentage value of less that 1%
>>> total
>>> of professional dealers who view themselves as such and are willing to
>>> allow themselves as being such on the list.
>>>
>>> Wow, there sure must be alot of collectors and scientists on the list.
>>>
>>> How cool is that?
>>>
>>> Thanks, Chummies!
>>>
>>> Dave Gunning
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
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