[meteorite-list] Tom Phillips Gallery listing on MT and Goodbye Tom

From: Dennis Miller <astroroks_at_meteoritecentral.com>
Date: Thu, 25 Nov 2010 12:55:08 -0600
Message-ID: <BAY152-w43259F9F51A9E4942CCF06B1200_at_phx.gbl>

Thanks, Ruben!!! WELL said.. I will have to agree. It has become harder
to find good reading here. Love you all! Have a Wonderful Thanksgiving!
Dennis Miller

> Date: Wed, 24 Nov 2010 22:40:36 -0700
> From: mrmeteorite at gmail.com
> To: paul at meteorite.com
> CC: Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Tom Phillips Gallery listing on MT and Goodbye Tom
>
> I remember (years ago) when the M-list was the first place I came to
> when I had a question, an idea or (in the rare occasion) an answer. I
> remember when I was shocked that everyone I met in the world of
> meteorites seemed helpful, friendly and intelligent.
>
> I long for those days. Especially when I hear that yet another person
> that had so much to offer was sent packing because of a few with
> poison pens.
>
> Believe it or not there was a time when people like Darryl Pitt, Jim
> Kriegh, Mike Farmer, Geoff Notkin, Rob Matson were all over this
> forum. They shared freely to all that would listen to their insight,
> wit, and experience. It was a time when people respected those that
> obviously knew more. It?s not that they knew more because they were
> rocket scientists (well except for Rob, cause he is) More often than
> not they were well respected because they actually did what the rest
> of us only dreamed of doing.
>
> I admit I don?t know what (specifically) happened to make Tom leave.
> However, I do know that when we loose someone like him we are probably
> doing something wrong!
>
> It seems now that the inmates are running the asylum. I don?t know
> how we went from delving into the science of meteorites to exploring
> the myth of dowsing rods - or why a rare find by someone like Sonny
> Clary is eclipsed by such rubbish. All I know is this is not fun
> anymore.
>
> Sue me, throw me overboard, or shoot me, I don?t care. If we don?t
> stop this moronic, pathetic, 3rd grade style chastening of eachother
> this list wont be worth the cyber paper it?s not written on!
>
> P.S.
>
> Thank God for the few that endure through it all: Mike (Rocks from
> Space) Paul and Jim (Meteorite Times) Larry and Nancy
>
> --
> Rock On!
>
> Ruben Garcia
>
> Website: http://www.mr-meteorite.net
> Articles: http://www.meteorite.com/blog/
> Videos: http://www.youtube.com/profile?user=meteorfright#p/u
>
>
>
>
> On Wed, Nov 24, 2010 at 8:56 PM, Paul Harris <paul at meteorite.com> wrote:
> > Dear List and Carl,
> >
> >
> > To Carl:
> >
> > In reply to your statement.
> >
> > "I noticed that MT no longer displays a link to Tom's web site. What is up
> > with that MT?"
> >
> > Let me help you find the link we have to Tom's Gallery on Meteorite-Times.
> > On the right side of the page is a column with groups of links. One of
> > these groups is called "Meteorite Resources". If you look down the list you
> > will see "Meteorite Pictures / Collections / Museums". If you click on this
> > link you will see the listing to Tom's Gallery.
> >
> > http://www.meteorite-times.com/meteorite-pictures/
> >
> >
> >
> > To Everyone:
> >
> > It's truly sad that Tom Phillips is no longer on the m-list, nor will he be
> > sharing his amazing images with us anymore. All Tom wanted to do was share
> > cool beautiful views of meteorites in a way that we would have never seen
> > without him...
> >
> > Below is an email I wrote to Tom. I've removed the name and subject but the
> > involved parties will know.
> >
> >
> > Hi Tom,
> >
> > I've been mulling this around this morning because I don't want
> > meteorite.com or your gallery to be caught up in any controversy...
> >
> > The fact that I've been thinking about this and you're writing me
> > again confirms that we are both on track knowing that these statements
> > will
> > indeed bring us into the conflict.
> >
> > My decision is to just present your wonderful images without the
> > controversy. I'm much to busy to be involved in WWIII.
> >
> > If ******* wants statements about ^^^^^^^ included then maybe ******* can
> > post them.
> >
> > Please let me know your thoughts...
> >
> > Paul
> >
> >
> > Tom was both used and condemned by members of this list who acted a judge,
> > jury and executioner. And what was Tom guilty of? Tom was guilty of being
> > non-political and having the insane notion that we would be interested in
> > seeing images of meteorites with questions.
> >
> > On this Thanksgiving maybe we should all reflect back on all the joy and
> > wonder Tom's images brought us. Thank you Tom for the thousands of hours
> > you spent at eyepiece to bring us those incredible sights.
> >
> > Maybe next time we can walk a few steps in other person's shoes before we
> > impale them with our deadly keystrokes...
> >
> > Paul
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > On 11/24/2010 9:03 AM, cdtucson at cox.net wrote:
> >>
> >> Dave,
> >> To answer your question without using a back door approach to sell my
> >> thin section. Yes, thin sections are a very important part of the
> >> classification process. They give the viewer the ability to optically
> >> determine what the mineralogy is within the rock. That said, if you have a
> >> good Scanning Electron microscope this can be done with or without a thin
> >> section in some cases. The microprobe is an additional tool that tells the
> >> Scientist what he or she is looking at as well but in a much more modern and
> >> accurate way. Keep in mind Thin sections at one time were all we had until
> >> the advent of the SEM Scanning Electron Microprobe.
> >> It should be clear what Tom Phillips offers is not and never was intended
> >> for classification purposes. He is an artistic genius of sorts and offers us
> >> a wonderful perspective of a different World if you will. Please read Tom's
> >> statement in his own words below;
> >>
> >> " I have often said that you would not use my images for classification.
> >> As I am examining known material, I don't think that matters. I show
> >> things others do not. In ways most have not even tried. It does not get
> >> any easier to increase magnification and still maintain the lighting control
> >> and clarity. Then there are the high magnification reflected light shots
> >> like what was posted on NWA 5363, who else shows what the material really
> >> looks like at that magnification. I have no problem with acknowledging the
> >> lack of traditional classification usefulness but what does bother me is the
> >> dismissing of very interesting and unexplained structures my images reveal
> >> as useless just because the viewer is unfamiliar with what they are looking
> >> at."
> >>
> >> I would like to add that sometimes Scientists do find subjects within
> >> meteorites that require such high magnifications (look at ALH84001) but if
> >> you want to see a great variety and extremely interesting images . Well, Tom
> >> Phillips is simply the best at what he does. Period.
> >>
> >> Tom has been insulted and attacked now enough times that he is likely to
> >> be calling it quits. I'm not sure he even reads this list anymore? I noticed
> >> that MT no longer displays a link to Tom's web site. What is up with that
> >> MT? This is indeed a sad day for our wonderful Meteorite community and this
> >> great met-list.
> >> I hope that this community embraces Tom and encourages him to continue in
> >> spite of some recent unwarranted attacks of him for NO good reason.
> >>
> >> Carl
> >>
> >> Carl or Debbie Esparza
> >> Meteoritemax
> >>
> >>
> >> ---- Dave Myers<whitefalcons007 at yahoo.com> wrote:
> >>
> >>>
> >>> Hey Tom and list!
> >>>
> >>> Sorry for all the miss-spelled words!
> >>>
> >>> like "Top Phillips".........ment Tom,
> >>> I find myself lately trying to type faster then my pay-grade! ......LOL
> >>>
> >>> you all take care!
> >>>
> >>> dave
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> ----- Original Message ----
> >>> From: Dave Myers<whitefalcons007 at yahoo.com>
> >>> To: Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
> >>> Sent: Tue, November 23, 2010 4:21:14 PM
> >>> Subject: [meteorite-list] Question, Thinn sections
> >>>
> >>> Hi List,
> >>>
> >>> I list I have a question about thinn section photos, Like the great
> >>> photos Top
> >>> Phillips takes.
> >>>
> >>> Those who study meteorite or classify them, Can they tell just by
> >>> looking at
> >>> the photos, if
> >>> the thenn section is from a meteorite?? Can they tell if it is a Lunar or
> >>> Martian meteorite from the thinn section photo?? Or do they need the
> >>> thinn
> >>> section in hand to put through a type of spectrometor??
> >>>
> >>> And is that even enough to tell, or does all the other testing have to be
> >>> done
> >>> to tell if it is a meteorite, is a Lunar or martian.
> >>>
> >>> Thanks for any info.
> >>>
> >>> dave
> >>>
> >>>
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