[meteorite-list] Tom Phillips Gallery listing on MT and Goodbye Tom

From: Galactic Stone & Ironworks <meteoritemike_at_meteoritecentral.com>
Date: Thu, 25 Nov 2010 08:59:50 -0500
Message-ID: <AANLkTimgnF8MWM-FYWxz4yiB-HzoeKxh1Z6603vMWxhV_at_mail.gmail.com>

What happened to Tom? Did I miss something?



On 11/25/10, Ruben Garcia <mrmeteorite at gmail.com> wrote:
> I remember (years ago) when the M-list was the first place I came to
> when I had a question, an idea or (in the rare occasion) an answer. I
> remember when I was shocked that everyone I met in the world of
> meteorites seemed helpful, friendly and intelligent.
>
> I long for those days. Especially when I hear that yet another person
> that had so much to offer was sent packing because of a few with
> poison pens.
>
> Believe it or not there was a time when people like Darryl Pitt, Jim
> Kriegh, Mike Farmer, Geoff Notkin, Rob Matson were all over this
> forum. They shared freely to all that would listen to their insight,
> wit, and experience. It was a time when people respected those that
> obviously knew more. It?s not that they knew more because they were
> rocket scientists (well except for Rob, cause he is) More often than
> not they were well respected because they actually did what the rest
> of us only dreamed of doing.
>
> I admit I don?t know what (specifically) happened to make Tom leave.
> However, I do know that when we loose someone like him we are probably
> doing something wrong!
>
> It seems now that the inmates are running the asylum. I don?t know
> how we went from delving into the science of meteorites to exploring
> the myth of dowsing rods - or why a rare find by someone like Sonny
> Clary is eclipsed by such rubbish. All I know is this is not fun
> anymore.
>
> Sue me, throw me overboard, or shoot me, I don?t care. If we don?t
> stop this moronic, pathetic, 3rd grade style chastening of eachother
> this list wont be worth the cyber paper it?s not written on!
>
> P.S.
>
> Thank God for the few that endure through it all: Mike (Rocks from
> Space) Paul and Jim (Meteorite Times) Larry and Nancy
>
> --
> Rock On!
>
> Ruben Garcia
>
> Website: http://www.mr-meteorite.net
> Articles: http://www.meteorite.com/blog/
> Videos: http://www.youtube.com/profile?user=meteorfright#p/u
>
>
>
>
> On Wed, Nov 24, 2010 at 8:56 PM, Paul Harris <paul at meteorite.com> wrote:
>> Dear List and Carl,
>>
>>
>> To Carl:
>>
>> In reply to your statement.
>>
>> "I noticed that MT no longer displays a link to Tom's web site. What is up
>> with that MT?"
>>
>> Let me help you find the link we have to Tom's Gallery on Meteorite-Times.
>> On the right side of the page is a column with groups of links. One of
>> these groups is called "Meteorite Resources". If you look down the list
>> you
>> will see "Meteorite Pictures / Collections / Museums". If you click on
>> this
>> link you will see the listing to Tom's Gallery.
>>
>> http://www.meteorite-times.com/meteorite-pictures/
>>
>>
>>
>> To Everyone:
>>
>> It's truly sad that Tom Phillips is no longer on the m-list, nor will he
>> be
>> sharing his amazing images with us anymore. All Tom wanted to do was
>> share
>> cool beautiful views of meteorites in a way that we would have never seen
>> without him...
>>
>> Below is an email I wrote to Tom. I've removed the name and subject but
>> the
>> involved parties will know.
>>
>>
>> Hi Tom,
>>
>> I've been mulling this around this morning because I don't want
>> meteorite.com or your gallery to be caught up in any controversy...
>>
>> The fact that I've been thinking about this and you're writing me
>> again confirms that we are both on track knowing that these statements
>> will
>> indeed bring us into the conflict.
>>
>> My decision is to just present your wonderful images without the
>> controversy. I'm much to busy to be involved in WWIII.
>>
>> If ******* wants statements about ^^^^^^^ included then maybe *******
>> can
>> post them.
>>
>> Please let me know your thoughts...
>>
>> Paul
>>
>>
>> Tom was both used and condemned by members of this list who acted a judge,
>> jury and executioner. And what was Tom guilty of? Tom was guilty of
>> being
>> non-political and having the insane notion that we would be interested in
>> seeing images of meteorites with questions.
>>
>> On this Thanksgiving maybe we should all reflect back on all the joy and
>> wonder Tom's images brought us. Thank you Tom for the thousands of hours
>> you spent at eyepiece to bring us those incredible sights.
>>
>> Maybe next time we can walk a few steps in other person's shoes before we
>> impale them with our deadly keystrokes...
>>
>> Paul
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On 11/24/2010 9:03 AM, cdtucson at cox.net wrote:
>>>
>>> Dave,
>>> To answer your question without using a back door approach to sell my
>>> thin section. Yes, thin sections are a very important part of the
>>> classification process. They give the viewer the ability to optically
>>> determine what the mineralogy is within the rock. That said, if you have
>>> a
>>> good Scanning Electron microscope this can be done with or without a thin
>>> section in some cases. The microprobe is an additional tool that tells
>>> the
>>> Scientist what he or she is looking at as well but in a much more modern
>>> and
>>> accurate way. Keep in mind Thin sections at one time were all we had
>>> until
>>> the advent of the SEM Scanning Electron Microprobe.
>>> It should be clear what Tom Phillips offers is not and never was intended
>>> for classification purposes. He is an artistic genius of sorts and offers
>>> us
>>> a wonderful perspective of a different World if you will. Please read
>>> Tom's
>>> statement in his own words below;
>>>
>>> " I have often said that you would not use my images for classification.
>>> As I am examining known material, I don't think that matters. I show
>>> things others do not. In ways most have not even tried. It does not get
>>> any easier to increase magnification and still maintain the lighting
>>> control
>>> and clarity. Then there are the high magnification reflected light shots
>>> like what was posted on NWA 5363, who else shows what the material really
>>> looks like at that magnification. I have no problem with acknowledging
>>> the
>>> lack of traditional classification usefulness but what does bother me is
>>> the
>>> dismissing of very interesting and unexplained structures my images
>>> reveal
>>> as useless just because the viewer is unfamiliar with what they are
>>> looking
>>> at."
>>>
>>> I would like to add that sometimes Scientists do find subjects within
>>> meteorites that require such high magnifications (look at ALH84001) but
>>> if
>>> you want to see a great variety and extremely interesting images . Well,
>>> Tom
>>> Phillips is simply the best at what he does. Period.
>>>
>>> Tom has been insulted and attacked now enough times that he is likely to
>>> be calling it quits. I'm not sure he even reads this list anymore? I
>>> noticed
>>> that MT no longer displays a link to Tom's web site. What is up with that
>>> MT? This is indeed a sad day for our wonderful Meteorite community and
>>> this
>>> great met-list.
>>> I hope that this community embraces Tom and encourages him to continue in
>>> spite of some recent unwarranted attacks of him for NO good reason.
>>>
>>> Carl
>>>
>>> Carl or Debbie Esparza
>>> Meteoritemax
>>>
>>>
>>> ---- Dave Myers<whitefalcons007 at yahoo.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>> Hey Tom and list!
>>>>
>>>> Sorry for all the miss-spelled words!
>>>>
>>>> like "Top Phillips".........ment Tom,
>>>> I find myself lately trying to type faster then my pay-grade! ......LOL
>>>>
>>>> you all take care!
>>>>
>>>> dave
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> ----- Original Message ----
>>>> From: Dave Myers<whitefalcons007 at yahoo.com>
>>>> To: Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
>>>> Sent: Tue, November 23, 2010 4:21:14 PM
>>>> Subject: [meteorite-list] Question, Thinn sections
>>>>
>>>> Hi List,
>>>>
>>>> I list I have a question about thinn section photos, Like the great
>>>> photos Top
>>>> Phillips takes.
>>>>
>>>> Those who study meteorite or classify them, Can they tell just by
>>>> looking at
>>>> the photos, if
>>>> the thenn section is from a meteorite?? Can they tell if it is a Lunar
>>>> or
>>>> Martian meteorite from the thinn section photo?? Or do they need the
>>>> thinn
>>>> section in hand to put through a type of spectrometor??
>>>>
>>>> And is that even enough to tell, or does all the other testing have to
>>>> be
>>>> done
>>>> to tell if it is a meteorite, is a Lunar or martian.
>>>>
>>>> Thanks for any info.
>>>>
>>>> dave
>>>>
>>>>
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