[meteorite-list] (Whetstone)> Glorieta Mountain strewnfield map

From: cdtucson at cox.net <*cdtucson_at_meteoritecentral.com*> Date: Tue, 9 Mar 2010 19:21:23 -0500 Message-ID: <20100309192123.3AXAM.1053358.imail_at_fed1rmwml28> · cdtucson_at_meteoritecentral.com

--
Carl or Debbie Esparza
Meteoritemax
---- Linton Rohr <lintonius at earthlink.net> wrote: 
> Yes. Fairly straight forward, isn't it Elizabeth?
> Unless one's vision is clouded by anger and/or jealousy.
> Apparently someone has an axe to grind against a good man.
> Linton
> 
> I sure hope the original poster has had some off-list responses to his 
> hijacked question.
> 
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Elizabeth Warner" <warnerem at astro.umd.edu>
> To: "meteoritelist" <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, March 09, 2010 3:14 PM
> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Fwd: Re: Fw: Request > Glorieta Mountain 
> strewnfield map
> 
> 
> > Even I figured this one out... yes, it says "unknown" down in the 
> > Geography section, but if you read up near the top in the Writeup section, 
> > it clearly says
> >
> >
> > Writeup from MB 97:
> > Whetstone Mountains
> > Arizona, United States [location information to be withheld until 
> > publication in MAPS]
> >
> >
> > I imagine that once MAPS is published, that those two parts of the page 
> > will get updated accordingly...
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Clear Skies!
> > Elizabeth
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > cdtucson at cox.net wrote:
> >> --
> >> Carl or Debbie Esparza
> >> Meteoritemax
> >>
> >>
> >>> Jack,
> >>> I am so sorry. I guess I am mistaken.
> >>> I mean the place where it says Coordinates "Unknown" must have  meant 
> >>> something else? Where exactly is "unknown", AZ? see link
> >>> http://tin.er.usgs.gov/meteor/index.php?sea=Whetstone+Mountains&sfor=names&ants=&falls=&valids=&stype=contains&lrec=50&map=ge&browse=&country=All&srt=name&categ=All&mblist=All&rect=&phot=&snew=0&pnt=Normal%20table&code=49514
> >>>
> >>> I guess I thought that since it shows up in the bulletin that the 
> >>> mapping was already done. By the way I did say "Nothing personal here 
> >>> but as always it's who you know I guess. sorry." So, I say again nothing 
> >>> personal here but as always it's who you know. Sorry!
> >>> So, where are you getting the latest one you found classified?  Because 
> >>> it is not the third AZ fall is it? Carl
> >>> --
> >>> Carl or Debbie Esparza
> >>> Meteoritemax
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> ---- Jack Schrader <schraderj at rocketmail.com> wrote:
> >>>> Carl, Since you posted your comment to the list in regards to myself 
> >>>> and my son, I am going to comment openly on this list in reply.  The 
> >>>> University of Arizona was immediately supplied with the coordinates of 
> >>>> the Whetstone Mountains area fall.  The U of A would not classify the 
> >>>> sample of WM without the coordinates, nor could the meteorite be 
> >>>> officially recognized by the Meteoritical Society without the exact 
> >>>> coordinates.  The coordinates were withheld as a courtesy to allow for 
> >>>> the proper mapping of the strewnfield.  Apparently, the Meteoritical 
> >>>> Society and the University of Arizona find the data not only useful but 
> >>>> very valuable as well.
> >>>>      I take great exception to your implications in your post that I 
> >>>> received favored treatment from the U of A because my son is a graduate 
> >>>> student there.  Great exception to your ignorant comment!  I am 
> >>>> actually fuming at the moment!  My son Devin had absolutely nothing to 
> >>>> do with the classification of the meteorite or the fact that the 
> >>>> classification was accepted by the U of A and accomplished so quickly. 
> >>>> The University of Arizona accepted this for classification due solely 
> >>>> to the fact that it was the first Arizona fall recovered in 97 years 
> >>>> and was recovered in their own back yard.  It had nothing to do with my 
> >>>> son or "who you know".  The fall was historic and important to my Alma 
> >>>> Mater, the University of Arizona.  If you do not know what you are 
> >>>> talking about, then I suggest you keep your mouth shut.  You owe my son 
> >>>> Devin and myself an apology for your ignorant and uncalled for 
> >>>> comments.
> >>>>
> >>>> Dr. Jack L. Schrader
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> ----- Forwarded Message ----
> >>>> From: "cdtucson at cox.net" <cdtucson at cox.net>
> >>>> To: meteoritefinder at yahoo.com; jgrossman at usgs.gov; Greg Stanley 
> >>>> <stanleygregr at hotmail.com>
> >>>> Cc: meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
> >>>> Sent: Tue, March 9, 2010 3:04:07 PM
> >>>> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Request > Glorieta Mountain strewnfield 
> >>>> map
> >>>>
> >>>> Greg,
> >>>> I'm not saying they are useless. I am just saying for scientific 
> >>>> knowledge they are not all that important. I'm just saying that I don't 
> >>>> like having my new find classification held up because I don't want to 
> >>>> share co-ords at this time. that's all. Although depending on who you 
> >>>> are you may be able to get it done without co-ords. If you are say, 
> >>>> someone named Jack  and your son works at U of A Planetary sciences 
> >>>> perhaps? Nothing personal here but as always it's who you know I guess. 
> >>>> sorry.
> >>>> And by the way. I don't remember where I found that
> >>>> beautiful blood red ruby. Why do you ask? If I happen to remember, you 
> >>>> will be the first to know. NOT! --
> >>>> Carl or Debbie Esparza
> >>>> Meteoritemax
> 
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